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NBC News 2 Jun 2020

'We Will Be Completely Destroyed' If Systemic Nature Of Racism Does Not End

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There is still a long way to go in defeating racism. MSNBC's Trymaine Lee hosts a panel discussion with Nikole Hannah-Jones of the New York Times, Minnesota's Lieutenant Governor Mandela Barnes and actor Don Cheadle about eliminating the white supremacist ideals ingrained in American institutions.


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"If we really believe Black lives matter -- then we must show it in how we fund our communities and neighborhoods first."

Re. Rashida Tlaib spoke in a video message about protesting police brutality and passing police legislation.
A gradual lifting of borders has been proposed by the EU's executive in an attempt to kick-start a tourist industry hit hard by the coronavirus pandemic.

"Our message is we will have a tourist season this summer," said economic affairs commissioner Paolo Gentiloni, "even if it's with security measures and limitations."

Borders closed across the EU, including the border-free Schengen zone.

But states are starting to reopen them.

Austria and Germany have become the latest EU countries to agree to remove travel restrictions.

From Friday there will be random checks at border crossings and then on 15 June free movement should resume. "We want to make people's everyday lives easier and take another step towards more normality," said Chancellor Sebastian Kurz.

UK travellers have already been warned not to expect "lavish" international holidays, with plans for a 14-day quarantine on air arrivals. But travel without quarantine will be possible to France.

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Richard Jefferson and Kendrick Perkins join Rachel Nichols on The Jump to discuss if players should be concerned about the rising number of coronavirus cases in Orlando, Florida, ahead of the restart of the 2019-20 NBA season. (3:14) The crew also weighs in on how much pressure New Orleans Pelicans rookie Zion Williamson will be under when the season resumes.


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NEED THAT MORE THINGS MIGHT BE
OFF.
>> JENELLE, THANK YOU SO VERY
MUCH, KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK.
>> WE ARE BACK WITH OUR PANEL
NOW.
I WANT TO ASK YOU, MANDELA, AS
A WISE MAN ONCE TOLD ME, THERE
IS NO WAY TO SEPARATE THE ROOTS
OF A TREE FROM ITS LEAVES.
THERE IS NO DOUBT THAT THIS
COUNTRY WAS FOUNDED ON RACIST
IDEALS, AND WHILE GREAT
PROGRESS HAS BEEN MADE, THE
ROOTS REMAIN THE SAME.
MANDELA, OUR WHITE SUPREMACIST
IDEALS AND INGRAINED ANTI-
BLACKNESS, BAKED INTO EVERY
AMERICAN INSTITUTION, INCLUDING
POLICING BREAKABLE?
CAN WE ACTUALLY SNAP OUT OF THE
SYSTEMIC NATURE OF RACISM?
OR IS THIS JUST WHO AND WHAT WE
ARE?
>> WE HAVE TO SNAP OUT OF IT.
IF WE DON’T, WE WILL BE
COMPLETELY DESTROYED.
THIS NATION WILL IMPLODE IF WE
DON’T SNAP OUT OF THE WHITE
SUPREMACIST IDEOLOGIES THAT GOT
US TO THIS POINT WHERE WE ARE,
I WANT TO REMIND PEOPLE, THINGS
CAN GET WORSE.
IT IS MY HOPE THAT THEY DO NOT,
IT IS MY HOPE THAT PEOPLE STEP
UP AND RECOGNIZE THE MOMENT AND
SEE THE NEED FOR CHANGE, WE USE
THE ROOTS ENTRY ANALOGY, I ALSO
WANT TO POINT OUT, FOR THOSE WHO STILL SUBSCRIBE TO THE BAD
WHO STILL SUBSCRIBE TO THE BAD
APPLE THEORY WHERE THERE ARE
JUST A HANDFUL, WE NEED TO
THINK ABOUT THE GROWING
CONDITIONS WHICH LED TO THOSE
BAD APPLES, AND THAT IS THE WAY
TO PREMISES IDEOLOGY YOU’RE
TALKING ABOUT.
SO, IF WE DON’T SNAP OUT OF IT
IT WILL ONLY BE TO OUR OWN
PERIL.
>> NICOLE, THE NATURE OF WHAT
WE ARE DEALING WITH HERE IS NOT
JUST POLICING, IT IS
HEALTHCARE, IT IS EDUCATION, IT
IS ENVIRONMENTAL.
WE ARE SEGREGATED BY OUR
BODIES, BUT THE AIR THAT WE BREATHE IS ALSO SEGREGATED.
BREATHE IS ALSO SEGREGATED.
DO YOU BELIEVE, IN YOUR HEART
OF HEARTS, GIVEN ALL YOUR
EXPERIENCE AND EVERYTHING YOU
UNDERSTAND ABOUT HOW THE SYSTEM
WORKS, DO YOU THINK WE CAN
BREAK OUT OF IT?
IS THERE ANY WAY TO MOVE PAST
IT, MOVE THROUGH IT?
CHANGE SOCIETY IN ANY REAL AND
MEANINGFUL WAY?
>> I WOULD SAY THAT CAN AND
WILL ARE TWO DIFFERENT THINGS.
YES, WE ABSOLUTELY CAN.
WE KNOW HOW.
WE KNOW ALL OF THE RESOURCES
THAT WENT INTO CREATING THE INEQUALITIES THAT WE
INEQUALITIES THAT WE
EXPERIENCE, BUT, DO WE HAVE THE
WILL?
JAMES BALDWIN SAID THAT WHITE
PEOPLE HAVE TO BE WILLING TO
GIVE UP THEIR WHITENESS, AND I
DON’T THINK THAT WE HAVE SEEN
ENOUGH WHITE AMERICANS IN POWER
WILLING TO DO THAT.
YOU KNOW, WE THINK ABOUT POLICE
VIOLENCE.
POLICE ARE THE AGENTS OF THE
STATE WHO WORK MOST MOST
INTIMATELY IN BLACK COMMUNITIES,
BUT THEY ARE THE FACE OF A MUCH
LARGER SYSTEM OF OPPRESSION
WHICH YOU JUST TALKED ABOUT.
THEY ARE, YOU KNOW, BLACK PEOPLE ARE SEGREGATED IN TERMS
PEOPLE ARE SEGREGATED IN TERMS
OF HOUSING AND SCHOOLS, WE HAVE
THE WORST HEALTH EFFECTS OF THE
HIGHEST POVERTY RATES, WE HAVE
THE HIGHEST UNEMPLOYMENT RATES.
ANYTHING THAT YOU NAME, WE
SUFFER FROM IT THE WORST, AND
THAT IS BECAUSE WE -- IN THIS
COUNTRY.
DO WE HAVE THE WILL TO DO WHAT
IS NECESSARY?
I DON’T THINK SO.
BUT, WE CERTAINLY CAN IF WE
CHOOSE.
WE COULD SEND SOMEBODY TO THE
MOON AGAIN.
IF WE WANTED TO DO SOMETHING
BETTER, RETURNED.
>> DON, WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT
THAT?
I ALSO WANT TO ADD, HOW MUCH OF
THAT INTIMACY IS BETWEEN POLICE
AND PEOPLE, AND ALL THE WAYS IN
WHICH WE ARE SEGREGATED, BUT
HOW MUCH OF WHAT WE EXPERIENCE
DAY TODAY, DO YOU THINK IS THE
RESULT OF UNCONSCIOUS BIAS,
PEOPLE MEANDERING THROUGH LIFE
NOT REALIZING THAT THEY HARBOR
ANTIBLACK SENTIMENT, AND HOW
MUCH OF IT IS ACTUAL CONSCIOUS
RACISM CONSCIOUS ANTIBLACK
SENTIMENT?
>> I THINK IT IS NOT POSSIBLE
NECESSARILY TO QUANTIFY IN
PERCENTAGES.
I WILL SAY THAT, BOTH ARE
ABSOLUTELY AT PLAY.
EVERY DAY.
PEOPLE DON’T REALIZE THAT THEY
HAVE THESE BIASES, AND LIKE I
SAID, MY FRIENDS ARE REALLY
REALIZING IT NOW.
COMING OUT NOW AND THEY REALLY
ARE UNDERSTANDING, THE IMPACT
OF INACTION, SEEING THAT
INACTION, BECAUSE THEY ARE GOOD
PEOPLE DOING GOOD THINGS DURING
THE DAY, THEY ARE NICE TO
PEOPLE THAT THAT IS ENOUGH TO
TEAR DOWN SOMETHING THAT HAS
BEEN SYSTEMATIC, AND HAS BEEN,
NOT ONLY INSTITUTIONALIZED BUT
IS CODIFIED, IN THE ARTICLES OF
THE CREATION OF THIS COUNTRY.
WE WERE NEVER INTENDED TO
PRODUCE DEBATE IN THIS WITH ANY
SORT OF EQUALITY.
SO IT’S GOING TO BE A FIGHT, IS
GOING TO BE A STRUGGLE AT
AGAIN, THIS MOMENT THAT WE ARE
IN RIGHT NOW, THAT WE HAVE TO
BE VERY HONEST ABOUT, AND HAS
BEEN THIS CONFLUENCE OF ALL OF
THESE THINGS COMING TOGETHER AT
THE SAME TIME, WITH A TERRIBLE
PRESIDENT AND ENABLERS AROUND
HIM, WHO DON’T HAVE THE COURAGE
TO STAND UP TO HIM.
AT A TIME WHEN PEOPLE WANT TO
TALK ABOUT LOOTING, AND ON THE
OTHER HAND, THEY DON’T WANT TO
TALK ABOUT TRILLION DOLLAR TAX
CUTS AS WE HAVE SEEN, JUST ONE
PERCENT OF THIS COUNTRY.
LET’S HAVE THE HOLISTIC
CONVERSATION.
WE NEED TO BE HONEST ABOUT
WHERE WE ARE AND HOW WE GOT
HERE.
IF WE CANNOT DO THAT, IF WHITE
PEOPLE AREN’T WILLING TO HAVE
THESE KINDS OF CONVERSATIONS,
AND HOLD EACH OTHER ACCOUNTABLE
TO THAT, THE ABILITY TO HOLD
THE LEVERS OF POWER, I DON’T
KNOW HOW THIS WILL CHANGE.
BUT THIS IS ABSOLUTELY THE
MOMENT TO IMPRESS UPON US THAT
IT HAS TO.
LIKE MANDELA SAID, WE ARE
LOOKING AT VERY BAD OUTCOMES.
THE RIOTS HAPPENED IN 92, AFTER
THE TRIAL, WE STILL HAVE THREE
OFFICERS WHO HAVE NOT BEEN
CHARGED, AND ONE WHO MAY BE
FOUND NOT GUILTY.
MAY BE ACQUITTED.
WE MAY NOT BE OF THE GREATEST
POINT OF THIS YET AND THAT IS
TERRIFYING.
>> MANDELA, YOU HOLD SOME
LEVERS OF POWER, YOU ARE THE
LIEUTENANT GOVERNOR OF WISCONSIN, WHICH INCLUDES
WISCONSIN, WHICH INCLUDES
MILWAUKEE, WHICH HAS AMONG THE
HIGHEST BLACKMAIL INCARCERATION
RATES IN THE COUNTRY.
I WANT TO ASK YOU, WHAT IS
NEXT.
WHERE DO WE GO FROM HERE, AND
DO YOU THINK THAT WHITE AMERICA
WANTS TO CHANGE, THAT MANY IN
BLACK AMERICA ACTUALLY WANT?
>> THAT IS THE THING.
I THINK A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE
WAKING UP TO A REALITY THAT
THEY NEVER HAD TO EXPERIENCE,
IF I COULD GO BACK TO THE
QUESTION THAT YOU BROUGHT TO
DONNA I THINK MOST OF US HAVE
BEEN ABLE TO GO THROUGHOUT
THEIR ENTIRE LIVES WITHOUT EVER
HAVING TO WORRY OR THINK ABOUT
IT.
BUT, ON THE POLICY FRONT, THERE
ARE SO MANY PROPOSALS THAT HAVE
BEEN BROUGHT UP AND ON THE
POLITICAL FRONT THERE ARE STILL
A GUESS AT THE BEGINNING PEOPLE
WHO DO NOT HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT
IT.
IN MY POSITION, I THINK ABOUT,
THE ISSUES I AM EXPECTED TO
CARRY, THOSE THAT I WILL CARRY
REGARDLESS BECAUSE THEY ARE
IMPORTANT.
WHETHER IT IS A WOMEN’S RIGHT
TO CHOOSE HER ENVIRONMENTAL
ISSUES, I CARRY THOSE ISSUES
BECAUSE THEY ARE IMPORTANT TO
ME.
BUT RARELY IS RACIAL JUSTICE A
PART OF THAT CONVERSATION.
AND WHAT I FEEL THAT I CAN DO,
BECAUSE WE DO HAVE ELECTIONS
COMING UP, IT’S NOT JUST THE
PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION, WE HAVE
LEGISLATIVE RACES ALL ACROSS
WISCONSIN AS WELL. WE HAVE OTHER RACES GOING ON,
WE HAVE OTHER RACES GOING ON,
AND, FROM OPPOSITION?
I’M NOT GOING TO ENDORSE
ANYBODY THAT IS NOT TAKE ON
RACIAL JUSTICE AND THAT’S WHAT
I PLAN TO DO.
PEOPLE WHO ARE RUNNING FOR
STATE REPRESENTATIVE, STATE
SENATOR THEY DON’T WANT TO TALK
ABOUT RACIAL JUSTICE AND NOT
ENDORSING THEM, BECAUSE WE HAVE
TO BUILD NOT JUST POWER, THE
POLICY AND STRUCTURE, TO MAKE
SURE THAT THESE ISSUES GET
ADDRESSED, BROUGHT TO THE TABLE
AND TALKED ABOUT IN MEANINGFUL
WAYS.
>> THANK YOU, SO MUCH, TO OUR
BEST -- OUR GUEST, DON CHEADLE,
NICOLE HANNAH JONES, LUKE
LIEUTENANT GOVERNOR MANDELA
VINES.
WE WANT TO KEEP HEARING YOUR
VOICES.
IF YOU ARE BLACK, IN AMERICA,
PLEASE SHARE WITH US WHILE YOU
ARE OUT RAILING FOR GEORGE
LLOYD.
GO TO /OR PROTEST.
THANK YOU AGAIN ALL FOR JOINING
ME IN THIS VERY HONEST ROCK
CONVERSATION.
SOMEWHERE IN AMERICA TONIGHT,
THE SPARK OF GREAT CHANGES
FLICKERING.
IT IS UP TO EACH OF US TO
DECIDE WHETHER WE LET IT BURN
OUT, OR WE NURTURE THAT BURNING
CHANGE. WHEREVER YOU ARE RIGHT
NOW, WE HEAR YOU. THANK YOU, AND GOOD NIGHT.

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