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MSNBC 14 Feb 2020

Trump Seems Poised To Pardon Convicted Associate Roger Stone

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After impeachment, will an embolded Trump pardon his convicted associate Roger Stone? We talk to Susan Page and Josh Gerstein. Aired on 02/14/20.


Lawmakers are divided over Trump commuting Roger Stone's prison sentence; Former Whitewater Independent Counsel Robert Ray weighs in on ‘Outnumbered Overtime.'
President Trump commuted Roger Stone "to basically shut up Roger Stone so that Roger Stone spill anymore beans about what actually happened and what Donald Trump actually knew," says Former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton.
President Donald Trump commuted Roger Stone's sentence days before Stone was to report to prison on charges of obstruction, witness tampering and making false statements. Stone was convicted for lying about his contacts with WikiLeaks during the 2016 campaign. Trump was rumored to have been considering a pardon, which would have ‘wiped the slate clean' for his former aide, but instead issued the commutation Friday night. Here's what we know.
Aaron Zelinsky, a deputy to former special counsel Robert Mueller, testified before a congressional panel that the "highest levels" of the Justice Department politicized the sentencing of President Donald Trump's longtime friend and adviser Roger Stone by pressuring the acting US attorney for the District of Columbia to ease up on his sentencing.

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LIKE THAT AND TRYING TO PROMOTE HIS IMAGE MORE SO I LENGTHGISLAT
HIS IMAGE MORE SO I LENGTHGISLAT >> SUSAN PAGE, YOU ARE ONE OF
>> SUSAN PAGE, YOU ARE ONE OF TWO SUSANS WE READ WITH
TWO SUSANS WE READ WITH REGULARITY AROUND HERE.
REGULARITY AROUND HERE. THE OTHER IS GLASSER WHO WRITES
THE OTHER IS GLASSER WHO WRITES FOR "THE NEW YORKER."
FOR "THE NEW YORKER." I QUOTE FROM HER TO GET YOUR
I QUOTE FROM HER TO GET YOUR REACTION.
REACTION. ALTHOUGH THE PRESIDENT HIMSELF
ALTHOUGH THE PRESIDENT HIMSELF IS UNCHANGED, THE CONTEXT AROUND
IS UNCHANGED, THE CONTEXT AROUND HIM IS VERY MUCH ALTERED.
HIM IS VERY MUCH ALTERED. IN THE HISTORY OF THE TRUMP
IN THE HISTORY OF THE TRUMP PRESIDENCY, THERE WILL BE A
PRESIDENCY, THERE WILL BE A BEFORE IMPEACHMENT AND AN AFTER.
BEFORE IMPEACHMENT AND AN AFTER. YOUR VIEW OF THAT?
YOUR VIEW OF THAT? >> YES, I THINK SO.
>> YES, I THINK SO. THERE HAVE BEEN SPECULATION
THERE HAVE BEEN SPECULATION ABOUT WHAT WOULD BE THE AFFECT
ABOUT WHAT WOULD BE THE AFFECT OF THE IMPEACHMENT PROCESS.
OF THE IMPEACHMENT PROCESS. WE WERE SURE THAT PRESIDENT
WE WERE SURE THAT PRESIDENT TRUMP WAS GOING TO BE ACQUITTED.
TRUMP WAS GOING TO BE ACQUITTED. WHAT WOULD BE AFFECT?
WHAT WOULD BE AFFECT? THERE WERE SOME WHO SUGGESTEDN C
THERE WERE SOME WHO SUGGESTEDN C THAT’S NOT THE CASE.
THAT’S NOT THE CASE. PRESIDENT TRUMP HAS BEEN
PRESIDENT TRUMP HAS BEEN EMBOLDENED SINCE HE WAS
EMBOLDENED SINCE HE WAS ACQUITTED BY THE SENATE.
ACQUITTED BY THE SENATE. WE SEE THAT EVERY DAY.
WE SEE THAT EVERY DAY. WE SEE THAT IN HIS TWEETS IN
WE SEE THAT IN HIS TWEETS IN WHAT HE IS DOING NOW IN THESE
WHAT HE IS DOING NOW IN THESE CRIMINAL CASES.
CRIMINAL CASES. I THINK WE WILL CONTINUE TO SEE
I THINK WE WILL CONTINUE TO SEE THAT.
THAT. DO YOU THINK ROGER STONE WILL
DO YOU THINK ROGER STONE WILL SPEND A DAY IN JAIL BETWEEN THE
SPEND A DAY IN JAIL BETWEEN THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT’S ACTIONS AND
JUSTICE DEPARTMENT’S ACTIONS AND THE PRESIDENTIAL PARDON?
THE PRESIDENTIAL PARDON? I WOULD BE -- IF I HAD A FARM, I
I WOULD BE -- IF I HAD A FARM, I WOULD NOT BET IT ON THE IDEA
WOULD NOT BET IT ON THE IDEA THAT ROGER STONE WILL SPEND A
THAT ROGER STONE WILL SPEND A NIGHT IN JAIL.
NIGHT IN JAIL. >> JOSH, 30 SECONDS ON THIS.
>> JOSH, 30 SECONDS ON THIS. THIS JUDGE IS IN A TOUGH SPOT.
THIS JUDGE IS IN A TOUGH SPOT. THE CHIEF JUDGE YESTERDAY PUT
THE CHIEF JUDGE YESTERDAY PUT OUT A STATEMENT COVERING HER
OUT A STATEMENT COVERING HER EMPLOYEES SAYING, THIS OFFICE IS
EMPLOYEES SAYING, THIS OFFICE IS NOT AFFECTED BY OUTSIDE
NOT AFFECTED BY OUTSIDE PRESSURES.
PRESSURES. >> RIGHT.
>> RIGHT. REMEMBER, THIS SENTENCING,
REMEMBER, THIS SENTENCING, UNLESS IT’S DEFERRED FOR SOME
UNLESS IT’S DEFERRED FOR SOME REASON, IS NOW BASICALLY LESS
REASON, IS NOW BASICALLY LESS THAN A WEEK AWAY.
THAN A WEEK AWAY. IT’S NEXT THURSDAY.
IT’S NEXT THURSDAY. IT’S SUPPOSED TO TAKE PLACE.
IT’S SUPPOSED TO TAKE PLACE. THE NOTION THAT THIS STORY WILL
THE NOTION THAT THIS STORY WILL DROP OUT OF THE HEADLINES
DROP OUT OF THE HEADLINES BECAUSE THE PRESIDENT’S GOING TO
BECAUSE THE PRESIDENT’S GOING TO CAMPAIGN RALLIES IS NOT GOING TO
CAMPAIGN RALLIES IS NOT GOING TO HAPPEN.
HAPPEN. THERE’S SO MANY WHEELS IN TERMS
THERE’S SO MANY WHEELS IN TERMS OF THE REVIEWS THAT BARR HAS
OF THE REVIEWS THAT BARR HAS STARTED IN THE FLYNN CASE AND IN
STARTED IN THE FLYNN CASE AND IN OTHER CASES THAT IT’S JUST HARD
OTHER CASES THAT IT’S JUST HARD TO SEE THIS GOING AWAY.
TO SEE THIS GOING AWAY. I THINK THAT AMY BURMAN JACKSON
I THINK THAT AMY BURMAN JACKSON WILL PROBABLY GIVE A FAIRLY
WILL PROBABLY GIVE A FAIRLY STIFF SENTENCE TO ROGER STONE.
STIFF SENTENCE TO ROGER STONE. SHE DIDN’T SEEM TO CARE FOR HIS
SHE DIDN’T SEEM TO CARE FOR HIS BEHAVIOR VERY MUCH AT ALL.
BEHAVIOR VERY MUCH AT ALL. I THINK HE IS LOOKING AT A TOUGH
I THINK HE IS LOOKING AT A TOUGH TIME.
TIME. LIKE SUSAN SAYS, HE MAY GET A

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