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MSNBC 31 Mar 2020

Susan Rice Criticizes Hungarian PM Using Coronavirus Crisis For Power Grab

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Former National Security Advisor Susan Rice joins Andrea Mitchell to discuss how governments have used emergency powers granted during the coronavirus crisis to impinge on democratic norms and the rule of law. She also discusses the Trump administration seeming to back off the use of the term "Wuhan virus" in an official capacity, and the president's pattern of lashing out at women and women of color.Aired on 3/31/2020.


Bina Venkataraman, Editorial Page Editor for The Boston Globe, says President Trump is using the White House briefing room to run his reelection campaign despite the American landscape looking like a gravesite "under his watch." John Heilemann, editor-in-chief at The Recount, agrees, adding based on polling, President Trump is "running it badly." Aired on 4/20/2020.
Ambassador Susan Rice, former National Security Adviser to President Obama, responds to President Trump's adviser and son-in-law Jared Kushner's recent statements regarding the Trump administration's response to the coronavirus crisis.
Airlines and others in the transport industry are being severely disrupted by the coronavirus crisis.
It is also causing astronomical headaches for space travel, halting work, for example, on the US's next manned mission to the Moon.
Al Jazeera's Andrew Chappelle has more.
SMEs in Europe represent 2/3 of jobs and they are particularly impacted by the Coronavirus crisis.…

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>>> AS THE COVID-19 PANDEMIC
>>> AS THE COVID-19 PANDEMIC SPREADS, LEADERS AROUND THE
SPREADS, LEADERS AROUND THE WORLD ARE INVOKING EXECUTIVE
WORLD ARE INVOKING EXECUTIVE POWERS, PASSING EMERGENCY
POWERS, PASSING EMERGENCY DECREES AND LEGISLATION
DECREES AND LEGISLATION EXPANDING THEIR PERMITS.
EXPANDING THEIR PERMITS. THEY ARE USING THE CRISIS TO
THEY ARE USING THE CRISIS TO GRAB MORE POWER.
GRAB MORE POWER. JOINING US, SUSAN RICE, FORMER
JOINING US, SUSAN RICE, FORMER U.S. AMBASSADOR TO THE UNITED
U.S. AMBASSADOR TO THE UNITED NATIONS.
NATIONS. HER "NEW YORK TIMES"
HER "NEW YORK TIMES" BEST-SELLING BOOK IS "TOUGH LOVE
BEST-SELLING BOOK IS "TOUGH LOVE MY STORY OF THE THINGS WORTH
MY STORY OF THE THINGS WORTH FIGHTING FOR."
FIGHTING FOR." THANK YOU FOR JOINING US.
THANK YOU FOR JOINING US. LET’S TALK ABOUT THE PARLIAMENT
LET’S TALK ABOUT THE PARLIAMENT PASSING A CONTROVERSIAL BILL
PASSING A CONTROVERSIAL BILL GIVING THEIR LEADER IN HUNGARY
GIVING THEIR LEADER IN HUNGARY RIGHTS THAT OTHERS ARE DEFENDING
RIGHTS THAT OTHERS ARE DEFENDING AND OTHERS AROUND ARE MODELING.
AND OTHERS AROUND ARE MODELING. >> IT’S REALLY QUITE
>> IT’S REALLY QUITE EXTRAORDINARY.
EXTRAORDINARY. WE’VE HAD A PROBLEM OBVIOUSLY IN
WE’VE HAD A PROBLEM OBVIOUSLY IN HUNGARY FOR WHITE A WHILE WHERE
HUNGARY FOR WHITE A WHILE WHERE VICTOR ORBAN HAS REPEATEDLY
VICTOR ORBAN HAS REPEATEDLY DEMONSTRATED HIS AUTOCRATIC
DEMONSTRATED HIS AUTOCRATIC TENDENCIES BUT THIS POWER GRAB
TENDENCIES BUT THIS POWER GRAB IS NEAR COMPLETE.
IS NEAR COMPLETE. HE’S TAKEN ALL THE REINS
HE’S TAKEN ALL THE REINS INDEFINITELY, AND THERE’S
INDEFINITELY, AND THERE’S NOTHING TO CHECK HIM.
NOTHING TO CHECK HIM. WE NOW HAVE A MEMBER OF THE
WE NOW HAVE A MEMBER OF THE EUROPEAN UNION THAT IS
EUROPEAN UNION THAT IS ESSENTIALLY AN OUTRIGHT DICTATOR
ESSENTIALLY AN OUTRIGHT DICTATOR CHAMPION.
CHAMPION. AND GIVEN THE VALUES, GIVEN THE
AND GIVEN THE VALUES, GIVEN THE INSTITUTIONS OF THE EUROPEAN
INSTITUTIONS OF THE EUROPEAN PARLIAMENT CAN BE TOLERATED.
PARLIAMENT CAN BE TOLERATED. WE’VE SEEN IT ELSEWHERE AS YOU
WE’VE SEEN IT ELSEWHERE AS YOU POINT OUT FROM THE PHILIPPINES,
POINT OUT FROM THE PHILIPPINES, OF COURSE, WHERE YOU WOULDN’T BE
OF COURSE, WHERE YOU WOULDN’T BE SURPRISED TO SEE IT, TO ISRAEL,
SURPRISED TO SEE IT, TO ISRAEL, WHERE YOU MIGHT BE SURPRISED TO
WHERE YOU MIGHT BE SURPRISED TO SEE IT.
SEE IT. WHERE PRIME MINISTER NETANYAHU
WHERE PRIME MINISTER NETANYAHU HAS ALSO USED THIS OPPORTUNITY
HAS ALSO USED THIS OPPORTUNITY TO CONSOLIDATE POWER UNDER HIM
TO CONSOLIDATE POWER UNDER HIM AND ELIMINATE A NUMBER OF
AND ELIMINATE A NUMBER OF FREEDOMS THAT ISRAELIS HAVE
FREEDOMS THAT ISRAELIS HAVE BECOME ACCUSTOMED TO.
BECOME ACCUSTOMED TO. SO THIS IS A TREND, AND IT’S A
SO THIS IS A TREND, AND IT’S A WORRYING TREND AND ONE WE HAVE
WORRYING TREND AND ONE WE HAVE TO GUARD AGAINST AND STAND UP
TO GUARD AGAINST AND STAND UP VERY CLEARLY IN OPPOSITION TO.
VERY CLEARLY IN OPPOSITION TO. >> SECRETARY POMPEO HAS
>> SECRETARY POMPEO HAS SEEMINGLY BACKED DOWN A LITTLE
SEEMINGLY BACKED DOWN A LITTLE BIT FROM WHAT HE HAS BEEN
BIT FROM WHAT HE HAS BEEN REFERRING TO AS THE WUHAN VIRUS.
REFERRING TO AS THE WUHAN VIRUS. WE’VE SEEN THIS AFTER A CALL
WE’VE SEEN THIS AFTER A CALL BETWEEN PRESIDENT TRUMP AND
BETWEEN PRESIDENT TRUMP AND PRESIDENT XI IN CHINA, BUT IT
PRESIDENT XI IN CHINA, BUT IT DID -- THE WUHAN VIRUS MEME THAT
DID -- THE WUHAN VIRUS MEME THAT CAME FROM POMPEO DID BREAK UP A
CAME FROM POMPEO DID BREAK UP A G7 FOREIGN MINISTERS CALL LAST
G7 FOREIGN MINISTERS CALL LAST WEEK WHERE THEY COULDN’T REACH
WEEK WHERE THEY COULDN’T REACH AGREEMENT ON STEPS FORWARD
AGREEMENT ON STEPS FORWARD BECAUSE OF THE INSISTENCE BY THE
BECAUSE OF THE INSISTENCE BY THE AMERICAN SECRETARY OF STATE THAT
AMERICAN SECRETARY OF STATE THAT THIS BE BLAMED ON CHINA.
THIS BE BLAMED ON CHINA. >> ANDREA, IT’S SHAMEFUL.
>> ANDREA, IT’S SHAMEFUL. FOR THE UNITED STATES TO BE RACE
FOR THE UNITED STATES TO BE RACE BAIT
BAIT BAITING AND TO BE -- A VIRUS
BAITING AND TO BE -- A VIRUS WHICH NEVER HAS A FLAG, CAN’T
WHICH NEVER HAS A FLAG, CAN’T HAVE A FLAG AS BEING THE
HAVE A FLAG AS BEING THE PROVIDENCE OF ONE COUNTRY IS
PROVIDENCE OF ONE COUNTRY IS DESIGNED TO BE DECISIVE.
DESIGNED TO BE DECISIVE. IT’S DESIGNED TO STIGMATIZE
IT’S DESIGNED TO STIGMATIZE PEOPLE OF ASIAN DESCENT AND IT’S
PEOPLE OF ASIAN DESCENT AND IT’S NOT THE WAY THE LEADERSHIP OF
NOT THE WAY THE LEADERSHIP OF THE UNITED STATES, THE SECRETARY
THE UNITED STATES, THE SECRETARY OF STATE AND THE PRESIDENT OF
OF STATE AND THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OUGHT TO BE
THE UNITED STATES OUGHT TO BE BEHAVING, IN THE BEST OF TIMES,
BEHAVING, IN THE BEST OF TIMES, BUT CERTAINLY NOT IN A CRISIS.
BUT CERTAINLY NOT IN A CRISIS. THE REALITY IS THAT VIRUSES CAN
THE REALITY IS THAT VIRUSES CAN ARISE IN ANY CORNER OF THE GLOBE
ARISE IN ANY CORNER OF THE GLOBE AND SPREAD TO ANY CORNER OF THE
AND SPREAD TO ANY CORNER OF THE GLOBE.
GLOBE. IN 2009, WHEN WE WERE DEALING
IN 2009, WHEN WE WERE DEALING WITH THE SWINE FLU PANDEMIC,
WITH THE SWINE FLU PANDEMIC, THAT AROSE IN NORTH AMERICA.
THAT AROSE IN NORTH AMERICA. IN MEXICO AND THEN IN THE UNITED
IN MEXICO AND THEN IN THE UNITED STATES BEFORE IT SPREAD ACROSS
STATES BEFORE IT SPREAD ACROSS THE PLANET.
THE PLANET. SO IT DOESN’T SERVE US WELL.
SO IT DOESN’T SERVE US WELL. IT DOESN’T SERVE THE OBJECTIVE
IT DOESN’T SERVE THE OBJECTIVE OF SQUELCHING THE VIRUS
OF SQUELCHING THE VIRUS GLOBALLY.
GLOBALLY. TO BRAND IT IN NATIONALISTIC OR
TO BRAND IT IN NATIONALISTIC OR XENOPHOBIC OR RACIST TERMS, WE
XENOPHOBIC OR RACIST TERMS, WE ALL HAVE TO WORK TOGETHER ON
ALL HAVE TO WORK TOGETHER ON THIS.
THIS. WE CAN STAMP OUT THIS VIRUS
WE CAN STAMP OUT THIS VIRUS EFFECTIVELY, EVENTUALLY IN THE
EFFECTIVELY, EVENTUALLY IN THE UNITED STATES.
UNITED STATES. CHINA MAY BE ABLE TO DO IT ON
CHINA MAY BE ABLE TO DO IT ON ITS SIDE OF THE WORLD, BUT IF
ITS SIDE OF THE WORLD, BUT IF IT’S NOT STAMPED OUT EVERYWHERE,
IT’S NOT STAMPED OUT EVERYWHERE, IT WILL COME BACK, BE RESURGENT
IT WILL COME BACK, BE RESURGENT AND BE OUR PROBLEM YET AGAIN.
AND BE OUR PROBLEM YET AGAIN. SO THE REALITY OF THIS IS WE
SO THE REALITY OF THIS IS WE HAVE A GLOBAL PROBLEM.
HAVE A GLOBAL PROBLEM. IT’S WORSE IN THE UNITED STATES
IT’S WORSE IN THE UNITED STATES RIGHT NOW.
RIGHT NOW. IT’S WORSE, FRANKLY, THAN IT
IT’S WORSE, FRANKLY, THAN IT NEEDED TO BE GIVEN THE LACK OF
NEEDED TO BE GIVEN THE LACK OF PREPAREDNESS, GIVEN THE LACK OF
PREPAREDNESS, GIVEN THE LACK OF FOCUS, GIVEN DOWNPLAYING OF THE
FOCUS, GIVEN DOWNPLAYING OF THE THREAT.
THREAT. A LOST TWO MONTHS WHERE THE
A LOST TWO MONTHS WHERE THE ADMINISTRATION DIDN’T TAKE THE
ADMINISTRATION DIDN’T TAKE THE TIME THAT WE COULD HAVE UTILIZED
TIME THAT WE COULD HAVE UTILIZED TO PUT IN PLACE THE MECHANISM SO
TO PUT IN PLACE THE MECHANISM SO THAT WE HAVE THE MASKS, WE HAVE
THAT WE HAVE THE MASKS, WE HAVE THE VENTILATORS AND THE TESTS.
THE VENTILATORS AND THE TESTS. AND NOW WE’RE PLAYING CATCH-UP.
AND NOW WE’RE PLAYING CATCH-UP. BUT IT DIDN’T NEED TO BE THIS
BUT IT DIDN’T NEED TO BE THIS BAD.
BAD. WHEN THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED
WHEN THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES GLEEFULLY SAYS ON SUNDAY
STATES GLEEFULLY SAYS ON SUNDAY THAT WE’LL BE -- WE WILL HAVE
THAT WE’LL BE -- WE WILL HAVE DONE A VERY GOOD JOB IF WE CAN
DONE A VERY GOOD JOB IF WE CAN LIMIT THE DEATHS IN THE UNITED
LIMIT THE DEATHS IN THE UNITED STATES TO 100,000 TO 200,000
STATES TO 100,000 TO 200,000 PEOPLE.
PEOPLE. I’M NOT SURE WHAT CIRCLE OF HELL
I’M NOT SURE WHAT CIRCLE OF HELL ONE HAS TO BE IN FOR THAT TO BE
ONE HAS TO BE IN FOR THAT TO BE A VERY GOOD OUTCOME.
A VERY GOOD OUTCOME. IT’S A TRAGIC, TERRIBLE OUTCOME
IT’S A TRAGIC, TERRIBLE OUTCOME AND NOW AMBASSADOR DEBORAH BIRX
AND NOW AMBASSADOR DEBORAH BIRX IS SAYING THAT’S THE BEST CASE
IS SAYING THAT’S THE BEST CASE SCENARIO.
SCENARIO. IF WE ALL DO OUR UTMOST.
IF WE ALL DO OUR UTMOST. SO THIS IS A CHALLENGE THAT WE
SO THIS IS A CHALLENGE THAT WE HAVE, FIRST AND FOREMOST HERE IN
HAVE, FIRST AND FOREMOST HERE IN THE UNITED STATES, BUT IT’S ALSO
THE UNITED STATES, BUT IT’S ALSO A GLOBAL CHALLENGE.
A GLOBAL CHALLENGE. IT’S GOING TO REQUIRE ALL OF US
IT’S GOING TO REQUIRE ALL OF US TO DO OUR PARTS FROM SOCIAL
TO DO OUR PARTS FROM SOCIAL DISTANCING TO SUPPORTING OUR
DISTANCING TO SUPPORTING OUR HEALTH CARE WORKERS AND OUR
HEALTH CARE WORKERS AND OUR FIRST RESPONDERS, AND IT’S GOING
FIRST RESPONDERS, AND IT’S GOING TO REQUIRE PRESIDENTIAL
TO REQUIRE PRESIDENTIAL LEADERSHIP OF A SORT WE’VE NOT
LEADERSHIP OF A SORT WE’VE NOT YET EVER SEEN FROM DONALD TRUMP.
YET EVER SEEN FROM DONALD TRUMP. >> FINALLY, WE JUST HAVE A FEW
>> FINALLY, WE JUST HAVE A FEW SECONDS LEFT.
SECONDS LEFT. I WANT TO SHARE ONE OF YOUR
I WANT TO SHARE ONE OF YOUR TWEETS.
TWEETS. YOU WROTE, YOU GO GIRL.
YOU WROTE, YOU GO GIRL. PATHETIC WHEN INSECURE MEN CAN’T
PATHETIC WHEN INSECURE MEN CAN’T STOMACH STRONG BLACK WOMEN.
STOMACH STRONG BLACK WOMEN. BRIEF COMMENT?
BRIEF COMMENT? >> THE ONLY THING I MIGHT ADD TO
>> THE ONLY THING I MIGHT ADD TO THAT IS MAYBE I SHOULD HAVE JUST
THAT IS MAYBE I SHOULD HAVE JUST SAID STRONG WOMEN.
SAID STRONG WOMEN. HE HAS A PARTICULAR PROBLEM, IT
HE HAS A PARTICULAR PROBLEM, IT SEEMS, WITH BLACK WOMEN.
SEEMS, WITH BLACK WOMEN. BUT AS WAS POINTED OUT IN YOUR
BUT AS WAS POINTED OUT IN YOUR EARLIER SEGMENT, IT’S A PROBLEM
EARLIER SEGMENT, IT’S A PROBLEM THAT APPLIES TO WOMEN WITH
THAT APPLIES TO WOMEN WITH STRONG PERSONALITIES AND A
STRONG PERSONALITIES AND A WILLINGNESS TO STAND UP FOR
WILLINGNESS TO STAND UP FOR THEMSELVES AND THEIR BELIEFS
THEMSELVES AND THEIR BELIEFS ACROSS THE BOARD.
ACROSS THE BOARD. IT’S A SAD THING.
IT’S A SAD THING. IT’S A REFLECTION OF ONE’S OWN
IT’S A REFLECTION OF ONE’S OWN INSECURITY.
INSECURITY. IT’S NOT A REFLECTION OF THE
IT’S NOT A REFLECTION OF THE TALENT OR THE CAPACITIES OF THE
TALENT OR THE CAPACITIES OF THE WOMEN WE’RE TALKING ABOUT.
WOMEN WE’RE TALKING ABOUT. AND I HOPE VERY MUCH THAT WE CAN
AND I HOPE VERY MUCH THAT WE CAN MOVE BEYOND THAT.
MOVE BEYOND THAT. IT’S SO UNBECOMING IN THE
IT’S SO UNBECOMING IN THE CONTEXT OF A NATIONAL CRISIS FOR
CONTEXT OF A NATIONAL CRISIS FOR THE PRESIDENT TO LASH OUT AT
THE PRESIDENT TO LASH OUT AT INDIVIDUALS, WHETHER THE
INDIVIDUALS, WHETHER THE GOVERNOR OF MICHIGAN OR THE
GOVERNOR OF MICHIGAN OR THE SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE OR A
SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE OR A REPORTER WHO ASKED A VERY FAIR,
REPORTER WHO ASKED A VERY FAIR, TOUGH QUESTION.
TOUGH QUESTION. SO AS I SAID, FOR US TO GET
SO AS I SAID, FOR US TO GET THROUGH THIS MAXIMALLY, IT’S
THROUGH THIS MAXIMALLY, IT’S GOING TO REQUIRE EACH OF US AS
GOING TO REQUIRE EACH OF US AS CITIZENS TO DOUR PART.
CITIZENS TO DOUR PART. THANK GOD FOR THE GOVERNORS AND
THANK GOD FOR THE GOVERNORS AND MAYORS AND THOSE STEPPING UP AND
MAYORS AND THOSE STEPPING UP AND TAKING THIS CRISIS AS SERIOUSLY
TAKING THIS CRISIS AS SERIOUSLY AS IT DESERVES TO BE TAKEN BUT
AS IT DESERVES TO BE TAKEN BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, THERE
AT THE END OF THE DAY, THERE ISN’T A SUBSTITUTION FOR
ISN’T A SUBSTITUTION FOR LEADERSHIP COMING OUT OF THE
LEADERSHIP COMING OUT OF THE WHITE HOUSE.
WHITE HOUSE. THE WHITE HOUSE NEEDS TO BE
THE WHITE HOUSE NEEDS TO BE STEPPING IN, PRIORITIZING THE
STEPPING IN, PRIORITIZING THE FEDERAL PROCUREMENT OF MASSIVE
FEDERAL PROCUREMENT OF MASSIVE TESTS OF PPE, OF VENTILATORS AND
TESTS OF PPE, OF VENTILATORS AND DISTRIBUTING THEM ON A RATIONAL
DISTRIBUTING THEM ON A RATIONAL BASIS.
BASIS. THEY CAN’T HAVE STATES COMPETING
THEY CAN’T HAVE STATES COMPETING AGAINST EACH OTHER, AGAINST THE

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