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MSNBC 15 Jan 2020

Shocking New Evidence Rocks Trump Impeachment Before Senate Trial

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Rep. Jim Himes, member of the House Intelligence Committee, talks with Rachel Maddow about a new collection of evidence in the Donald Trump impeachment case that not only offers new insights into Donald Trump's behavior toward Ukraine, but exposes some shocking new sub-plots. Aired on 01/14/20.


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THE ARTICLES OF IMPEACHMENT AGAINST PRESIDENT TRUMP WHICH
AGAINST PRESIDENT TRUMP WHICH ARE FORMALLY GOING TO BE
ARE FORMALLY GOING TO BE CONVEYED TO THE SENATE TOMORROW
CONVEYED TO THE SENATE TOMORROW AFTERNOON.
AFTERNOON. AMONG THE MOST DISTURBING
AMONG THE MOST DISTURBING MATERIAL RELEASED TONIGHT IS A
MATERIAL RELEASED TONIGHT IS A LONG SERIES OF ENCRYPTED TEXT
LONG SERIES OF ENCRYPTED TEXT MESSAGES FROM LAST SPRING.
MESSAGES FROM LAST SPRING. THEY INVOLVE LEV PARNAS
THEY INVOLVE LEV PARNAS CURRENTLY UNDER INDICTMENT IN
CURRENTLY UNDER INDICTMENT IN THE SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW
THE SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK.
YORK. HE REPORTEDLY HANDED THIS
HE REPORTEDLY HANDED THIS MATERIAL OVER TO THE
MATERIAL OVER TO THE INTELLIGENCE COMMITTEE.
INTELLIGENCE COMMITTEE. AND ROBERT F. HYDE IF FROM
AND ROBERT F. HYDE IF FROM CONNECTICUT.
CONNECTICUT. IN THE TEXT MESSAGES MR. HYDE
IN THE TEXT MESSAGES MR. HYDE SEEMS TO BE REPORTING TO MR. LEV
SEEMS TO BE REPORTING TO MR. LEV PARNAS ABOUT THE PHYSICAL
PARNAS ABOUT THE PHYSICAL MOVEMENTS AND THE SECURITY
MOVEMENTS AND THE SECURITY SITUATION AROUND AMBASSADOR
SITUATION AROUND AMBASSADOR MARIE YOVANOVITCH IN KIEV.
MARIE YOVANOVITCH IN KIEV. THE INITIAL PARTS OF THEIR TEXT
THE INITIAL PARTS OF THEIR TEXT EXCHANGES ARE NEGATIVE
EXCHANGES ARE NEGATIVE INFORMATION ABOUT MISS
INFORMATION ABOUT MISS YOVANOVITCH.
YOVANOVITCH. MR. HYDE USING EXPLETIVES, HOW
MR. HYDE USING EXPLETIVES, HOW TERRIBLE SHE IS AND TRUMP SHOULD
TERRIBLE SHE IS AND TRUMP SHOULD FIRE HER.
FIRE HER. IT MOVES ON QUICKLY TO
IT MOVES ON QUICKLY TO SURVEILLANCE REPORTS TO SOMEBODY
SURVEILLANCE REPORTS TO SOMEBODY WHO IS WATCHING HER.
WHO IS WATCHING HER. A SAMPLE OF THOSE MESSAGES.
A SAMPLE OF THOSE MESSAGES. QUOTE, SHE IS UNDER HEAVY
QUOTE, SHE IS UNDER HEAVY PROTECTION OUTSIDE KIEV.
PROTECTION OUTSIDE KIEV. THEY ARE MOVING HER TOMORROW.
THEY ARE MOVING HER TOMORROW. THE GUYS OVER THERE ASKED ME
THE GUYS OVER THERE ASKED ME WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO DO AND
WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO DO AND WHAT’S IN IT FOR THEM.
WHAT’S IN IT FOR THEM. SHE’S TALKED TO THREE PEOPLE.
SHE’S TALKED TO THREE PEOPLE. HER PHONE IS OFF, COMPUTER IS
HER PHONE IS OFF, COMPUTER IS OFF.
OFF. PRIVATE SECURITY.
PRIVATE SECURITY. BEEN THERE SINCE THURSDAY.
BEEN THERE SINCE THURSDAY. QUOTE, THEY’RE WILLING TO HELP
QUOTE, THEY’RE WILLING TO HELP IF WE/YOU WOULD LIKE A PRICE.
IF WE/YOU WOULD LIKE A PRICE. GUESS YOU CAN DO ANYTHING IN THE
GUESS YOU CAN DO ANYTHING IN THE UKRAINE WITH MONEY.
UKRAINE WITH MONEY. WHAT I WAS TOLD.
WHAT I WAS TOLD. IF YOU WANT HER OUT, THEY NEED
IF YOU WANT HER OUT, THEY NEED TO MAKE CONTACT WITH SECURITY
TO MAKE CONTACT WITH SECURITY FORCES.
FORCES. AND THEN AFTER THAT, QUOTE, IT’S
AND THEN AFTER THAT, QUOTE, IT’S CONFIRMED.
CONFIRMED. WE HAVE A PERSON INSIDE.
WE HAVE A PERSON INSIDE. >>> TONIGHT IN RESPONSE TO THIS
>>> TONIGHT IN RESPONSE TO THIS INFORMATION, AMBASSADOR
INFORMATION, AMBASSADOR YOVANOVITCH’S LAWYER HAS JUST
YOVANOVITCH’S LAWYER HAS JUST RELEASED THIS STATEMENT SAYING,
RELEASED THIS STATEMENT SAYING, QUOTE, NEEDLESS TO SAY THE
QUOTE, NEEDLESS TO SAY THE NOTION THAT AMERICAN CITIZENS
NOTION THAT AMERICAN CITIZENS AND OTHERS WERE MONITORING
AND OTHERS WERE MONITORING AMBASSADOR YOVANOVITCH’S
AMBASSADOR YOVANOVITCH’S MOVEMENTS FOR UNKNOWN PURPOSES
MOVEMENTS FOR UNKNOWN PURPOSES IS DISTURBING.
IS DISTURBING. WE TRUST THAT THE APPROPRIATE
WE TRUST THAT THE APPROPRIATE AUTHORITIES WILL CONDUCT AN
AUTHORITIES WILL CONDUCT AN INVESTIGATION TO DETERMINE WHAT
INVESTIGATION TO DETERMINE WHAT HAPPENED.
HAPPENED. >>> JOINING US NOW IS
>>> JOINING US NOW IS CONGRESSMAN JIM HIMES, MEMBER OF
CONGRESSMAN JIM HIMES, MEMBER OF THE INTELLIGENCE COMMITTEE.
THE INTELLIGENCE COMMITTEE. HE ALSO REPRESENTS CONNECTICUT’S
HE ALSO REPRESENTS CONNECTICUT’S 4th DISTRICT WHICH IS RIGHT NEXT
4th DISTRICT WHICH IS RIGHT NEXT DOOR TO THE DISTRICT IN
DOOR TO THE DISTRICT IN CONNECTICUT WHERE MR. HYDE IS
CONNECTICUT WHERE MR. HYDE IS CURRENTLY STANDING AS A
CURRENTLY STANDING AS A REPUBLICAN CANDIDATE FOR
REPUBLICAN CANDIDATE FOR CONGRESS.
CONGRESS. MR. HIMES, CONGRESSMAN, THANK
MR. HIMES, CONGRESSMAN, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR JOINING US
YOU SO MUCH FOR JOINING US TONIGHT.
TONIGHT. >> HI, RACHEL.
>> HI, RACHEL. >> I KNOW THIS ISN’T THE RIGHT
>> I KNOW THIS ISN’T THE RIGHT WAY TO ASK THIS QUESTION, BUT
WAY TO ASK THIS QUESTION, BUT WHAT THE HECK -- WHAT -- WHAT IS
WHAT THE HECK -- WHAT -- WHAT IS THIS?
THIS? PLEASE TELL ME THIS IS A
PLEASE TELL ME THIS IS A FABULIST WHO HAS CONCOCTED SOME
FABULIST WHO HAS CONCOCTED SOME SORT OF FANTASY PLOT IN HIS MIND
SORT OF FANTASY PLOT IN HIS MIND AND THIS WASN’T A REAL THING.
AND THIS WASN’T A REAL THING. >> YEAH, I’M NOT THE GOVERNOR OF
>> YEAH, I’M NOT THE GOVERNOR OF CONNECTICUT, RACHEL, BUT I DO ON
CONNECTICUT, RACHEL, BUT I DO ON BEHALF OF THE PEOPLE OF
BEHALF OF THE PEOPLE OF CONNECTICUT APOLOGIZE FOR
CONNECTICUT APOLOGIZE FOR MR. HYDE.
MR. HYDE. AND, LOOK, I GUESS THERE ARE TWO
AND, LOOK, I GUESS THERE ARE TWO WAYS TO LOOK AT THIS.
WAYS TO LOOK AT THIS. AS YOU SAID EARLIER IN THE SHOW,
AS YOU SAID EARLIER IN THE SHOW, THIS IS NOT MR. HYDE’S FIRST
THIS IS NOT MR. HYDE’S FIRST BRUSH WITH FAME.
BRUSH WITH FAME. HE, OF COURSE, GOT SOME
HE, OF COURSE, GOT SOME ATTENTION BY PUTTING UP A TRULY
ATTENTION BY PUTTING UP A TRULY DISGUSTING TWEET ABOUT SENATOR
DISGUSTING TWEET ABOUT SENATOR KAMALA HARRIS WHEN SHE WITHDREW
KAMALA HARRIS WHEN SHE WITHDREW FROM THE PRESIDENTIAL RACE.
FROM THE PRESIDENTIAL RACE. SO, LOOK, THIS GUY IS A
SO, LOOK, THIS GUY IS A MALIGNANT CLOWN.
MALIGNANT CLOWN. IT IS QUITE POSSIBLE THAT HE WAS
IT IS QUITE POSSIBLE THAT HE WAS JUST MAKING ALL THIS STUFF UP.
JUST MAKING ALL THIS STUFF UP. THAT WOULD BE CONSISTENT WITH
THAT WOULD BE CONSISTENT WITH THIS GUY.
THIS GUY. BUT, OF COURSE, WE DON’T ASSUME
BUT, OF COURSE, WE DON’T ASSUME THAT.
THAT. IT IS ALSO POSSIBLE, AND WE
IT IS ALSO POSSIBLE, AND WE DON’T KNOW THIS, TRUE OR FALSE,
DON’T KNOW THIS, TRUE OR FALSE, THAT HE ACTUALLY DID TALK TO
THAT HE ACTUALLY DID TALK TO PEOPLE ON THE GROUND WHO WERE
PEOPLE ON THE GROUND WHO WERE SURVEILLING AND THREATENING THE
SURVEILLING AND THREATENING THE UNITED STATES AMBASSADOR.
UNITED STATES AMBASSADOR. THIS IS A KIND OF THING WE TAKE
THIS IS A KIND OF THING WE TAKE SERIOUSLY DESPITE THE CLOWN-LIKE
SERIOUSLY DESPITE THE CLOWN-LIKE BEHAVIOR OF MR. HYDE.
BEHAVIOR OF MR. HYDE. >> OBVIOUSLY THE QUESTION THAT I
>> OBVIOUSLY THE QUESTION THAT I THINK IMMEDIATELY AROSE IN
THINK IMMEDIATELY AROSE IN PEOPLE’S MINDS WHEN WE FIRST
PEOPLE’S MINDS WHEN WE FIRST STARTED ABSORBING THE IMPACTS,
STARTED ABSORBING THE IMPACTS, THE IMPLICATION OF THESE TEXT
THE IMPLICATION OF THESE TEXT MESSAGES IS WHETHER OR NOT THIS
MESSAGES IS WHETHER OR NOT THIS IS WHAT AMBASSADOR YOVANOVITCH
IS WHAT AMBASSADOR YOVANOVITCH WAS BEING WARNED ABOUT WHEN SHE
WAS BEING WARNED ABOUT WHEN SHE GOT THAT MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT
GOT THAT MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT 1:00 A.M. CALL FROM THE STATE
1:00 A.M. CALL FROM THE STATE DEPARTMENT, TELLING HER TO GET
DEPARTMENT, TELLING HER TO GET ON THE NEXT PLANE.
ON THE NEXT PLANE. THERE WERE CONCERNS ABOUT HER
THERE WERE CONCERNS ABOUT HER SAFETY.
SAFETY. THAT WAS ABOUT A MONTH AFTER
THAT WAS ABOUT A MONTH AFTER THESE EXCHANGES BETWEEN
THESE EXCHANGES BETWEEN MR. PARNAS AND MR. HYDE WERE
MR. PARNAS AND MR. HYDE WERE HAPPENING VIA ENCRYPTED TEXT.
HAPPENING VIA ENCRYPTED TEXT. IS THERE ANY INDICATION OF WHAT
IS THERE ANY INDICATION OF WHAT THE WHITE HOUSE OR THE STATE
THE WHITE HOUSE OR THE STATE DEPARTMENT MIGHT HAVE KNOWN
DEPARTMENT MIGHT HAVE KNOWN ABOUT THIS AND WHETHER THAT IS,
ABOUT THIS AND WHETHER THAT IS, IN FACT, WHAT LED TO THAT URGENT
IN FACT, WHAT LED TO THAT URGENT SECURITY ALERT TO THE AMBASSADOR
SECURITY ALERT TO THE AMBASSADOR THAT GOT HER OUT OF THAT
THAT GOT HER OUT OF THAT COUNTRY?
COUNTRY? >> YEAH, I MEAN, I CHUCKLE,
>> YEAH, I MEAN, I CHUCKLE, RACHEL, BECAUSE WE DON’T KNOW.
RACHEL, BECAUSE WE DON’T KNOW. WE DON’T KNOW.
WE DON’T KNOW. AND AMIDST ALL OF THIS TALK OF,
AND AMIDST ALL OF THIS TALK OF, YOU KNOW, ALMOST CARTOON-LIKE
YOU KNOW, ALMOST CARTOON-LIKE CHARACTERS, I MEAN THIS IS THE
CHARACTERS, I MEAN THIS IS THE STUFF IF YOU MADE IT UP AND PUT
STUFF IF YOU MADE IT UP AND PUT IT IN A COMIC BOOK NOBODY WOULD
IT IN A COMIC BOOK NOBODY WOULD BELIEVE.
BELIEVE. AND THE REASON WE DON’T KNOW, OF
AND THE REASON WE DON’T KNOW, OF COURSE, IS THE HEADLINE OF
COURSE, IS THE HEADLINE OF EVERYTHING HERE THAT IS GETTING
EVERYTHING HERE THAT IS GETTING LOST IN THIS STORY, WE DON’T
LOST IN THIS STORY, WE DON’T KNOW THE ANSWER TO YOUR QUESTION
KNOW THE ANSWER TO YOUR QUESTION BECAUSE THE PRESIDENT OF THE
BECAUSE THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES IN AN ABSOLUTELY
UNITED STATES IN AN ABSOLUTELY UNPRECEDENTED MOVE HAS REFUSED
UNPRECEDENTED MOVE HAS REFUSED TO MAKE A SINGLE PERSON, A
TO MAKE A SINGLE PERSON, A SINGLE EMAIL, A SINGLE PHONE
SINGLE EMAIL, A SINGLE PHONE CALL AVAILABLE TO CONGRESSIONAL
CALL AVAILABLE TO CONGRESSIONAL INVESTIGATORS.
INVESTIGATORS. WHY IS THAT?
WHY IS THAT? BECAUSE EVERY FACT, EVERY EMAIL,
BECAUSE EVERY FACT, EVERY EMAIL, EVERY TROVE OF LEV PARNAS, YOU
EVERY TROVE OF LEV PARNAS, YOU KNOW, LEV PARNAS, WHO HAD EVER
KNOW, LEV PARNAS, WHO HAD EVER HEARD OF THIS GUY?
HEARD OF THIS GUY? NOT EXACTLY MIKE POMPEO.
NOT EXACTLY MIKE POMPEO. BUT EVERY SINGLE EMAIL,
BUT EVERY SINGLE EMAIL, DOCUMENT, PHONE CALL THAT COMES
DOCUMENT, PHONE CALL THAT COMES OUT IS DEEPLY INCRIMINATING TO
OUT IS DEEPLY INCRIMINATING TO THE PRESIDENT.
THE PRESIDENT. SO, YOU KNOLL, NOT ONLY WOULD WE
SO, YOU KNOLL, NOT ONLY WOULD WE LIKE TO HAVE THE KIND OF
LIKE TO HAVE THE KIND OF EVIDENCE PRESENTED THAT NIXON
EVIDENCE PRESENTED THAT NIXON WAS REQUIRED TO PRESENT, THAT
WAS REQUIRED TO PRESENT, THAT BILL CLINTON PRESENTED INCLUDING
BILL CLINTON PRESENTED INCLUDING TESTIFYING AND GIVING A
TESTIFYING AND GIVING A DEPOSITION HIMSELF, BECAUSE IT
DEPOSITION HIMSELF, BECAUSE IT WOULD BE IMPORTANT TO
WOULD BE IMPORTANT TO UNDERSTANDING THE BEHAVIOR OF
UNDERSTANDING THE BEHAVIOR OF THIS PRESIDENT, AND PRESUMABLY
THIS PRESIDENT, AND PRESUMABLY IMPORTANT TO SENATORS ACTUALLY
IMPORTANT TO SENATORS ACTUALLY MAKING AN IMPARTIAL AND INFORMED
MAKING AN IMPARTIAL AND INFORMED DECISION ABOUT THE BEHAVIOR OF
DECISION ABOUT THE BEHAVIOR OF THAT PRESIDENT.
THAT PRESIDENT. BUT THERE’S ANY NUMBER OF
BUT THERE’S ANY NUMBER OF SUBPLOTS LIKE THIS SURVEILLANCE

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