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MSNBC 10 Sep 2019

Samantha Power: Russia Exceeded My Worst Expectations

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Samantha Power, former U.S. ambassador to the U.N. talks with Rachel Maddow about how Russia took such a dark turn as a country under Putin in the aftermath of the Cold War, and the importance of disagreement and deliberation in a functional White House.


As the climate talks begin, Russia and China are hoping a new gas pipeline will help them use less coal.
The so-called "Power of Siberia" pipeline will officially launch on Monday and will stretch for thousands of kilometres through Russia, to deliver natural gas to China.

Al Jazeera's Andrew Thomas reports from northern China.
Stephen Dixon speaks to Sky News reporter Diana Magnay about suggested Russian interference in the election.
Vladimir Putin accepted the resignation of his prime minister Wednesday after proposing constitutional amendments that could herald his intention to carve out a position that would let him stay at Russia's helm after his presidency ends.
Scoring 19 of his 29 points in the second half, Seton Hall star guard Myles Powell helped put away Butler, the No. 5 team in the country, pushing the Pirates atop the Big East standings.

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It’s the greatest exploration vehicle of all time.
>>> TO THE ASSAD REGIME, RUSSIA exploration vehicle of all time.
>>> TO THE ASSAD REGIME, RUSSIA AND IRAN, YOUR FORCES AND
AND IRAN, YOUR FORCES AND PROXIES ARE CARRYING OUT THESE
PROXIES ARE CARRYING OUT THESE CRIMES.
CRIMES. YOUR BARREL BOMBS AND MORTARS
YOUR BARREL BOMBS AND MORTARS AND AIR STRIKES HAVE ALLOWED THE
AND AIR STRIKES HAVE ALLOWED THE MILITIA IN ALEPPO TO ENCIRCLE
MILITIA IN ALEPPO TO ENCIRCLE TENS OF THOUSANDS OF SIEVECIVILI
TENS OF THOUSANDS OF SIEVECIVILI IN YOUR EVER-TIGHTENING NOOSE.
IN YOUR EVER-TIGHTENING NOOSE. IT SHOULD SHAME YOU.
IT SHOULD SHAME YOU. INSTEAD, BY ALL APPEARANCES, IT
INSTEAD, BY ALL APPEARANCES, IT IS EMBOLDING YOU.
IS EMBOLDING YOU. YOU ARE BLOTTING YOUR NEXT
YOU ARE BLOTTING YOUR NEXT ASSAULT.
ASSAULT. ARE YOU TRULY INCAPABLE OF
ARE YOU TRULY INCAPABLE OF SHAME?
SHAME? IS THERE LITERALLY NOTHING THAT
IS THERE LITERALLY NOTHING THAT CAN SHAME YOU?
CAN SHAME YOU? IS THERE NO ACT OF BARBARISM
IS THERE NO ACT OF BARBARISM AGAINST CIVILIANS, NO EXECUTION
AGAINST CIVILIANS, NO EXECUTION OF A CHILD, THAT GETS UNDER YOUR
OF A CHILD, THAT GETS UNDER YOUR SKIN, THAT JUST CREEPS YOU OUT A
SKIN, THAT JUST CREEPS YOU OUT A LITTLE BIT?
LITTLE BIT? IS THERE NOTHING YOU WILL NOT
IS THERE NOTHING YOU WILL NOT LIE ABOUT OR JUSTIFY?
LIE ABOUT OR JUSTIFY? >> SAMANTHA POWER HAS JUST
>> SAMANTHA POWER HAS JUST WRITTEN THIS NEW BOOK, IT’S
WRITTEN THIS NEW BOOK, IT’S CALLED "THE EDUCATION OF AN
CALLED "THE EDUCATION OF AN IDEALIST."
IDEALIST." IT’S OUT AS OF RIGHT NOW.
IT’S OUT AS OF RIGHT NOW. JOINING US FOR "THE INTERVIEW"
JOINING US FOR "THE INTERVIEW" IS FORMER U.N. AMBASSADOR
IS FORMER U.N. AMBASSADOR SAMANTHA POWER.
SAMANTHA POWER. GREAT TO HAVE YOU HERE.
GREAT TO HAVE YOU HERE. CONGRATULATIONS.
CONGRATULATIONS. >> GLAD TO BE HERE.
>> GLAD TO BE HERE. THANK YOU.
THANK YOU. >> SO YOU’RE A VERY GOOD WRITER
>> SO YOU’RE A VERY GOOD WRITER WHICH MAKES IT MORE FUN AND
WHICH MAKES IT MORE FUN AND HONESTLY TRULY ENGROSSING TO
HONESTLY TRULY ENGROSSING TO READ A MEMOIR ABOUT A FORMER
READ A MEMOIR ABOUT A FORMER U.S. OFFICIAL.
U.S. OFFICIAL. >> WOW.
>> WOW. >> THANK YOU.
>> THANK YOU. >> WHICH IS AN UNUSUAL THING.
>> WHICH IS AN UNUSUAL THING. THANK YOU FOR WRITING A BOOK
THANK YOU FOR WRITING A BOOK THAT’S A PLEASURE TO READ.
THAT’S A PLEASURE TO READ. >> NOT SURE ABOUT THE GENRE --
>> NOT SURE ABOUT THE GENRE -- >> THE FORMER OFFICIAL MEMOIR IS
>> THE FORMER OFFICIAL MEMOIR IS NOT USUALLY A GREAT BOOK.
NOT USUALLY A GREAT BOOK. THIS IS A GOOD BOOK.
THIS IS A GOOD BOOK. LET ME ASK YOU ABOUT THAT
LET ME ASK YOU ABOUT THAT FOOTAGE THAT I JUST PLAYED THERE
FOOTAGE THAT I JUST PLAYED THERE OF YOU.
OF YOU. THAT’S DECEMBER 2016.
THAT’S DECEMBER 2016. SO THAT’S AFTER THE NOVEMBER
SO THAT’S AFTER THE NOVEMBER 2016 ELECTION.
2016 ELECTION. OBVIOUSLY, THAT IS A
OBVIOUSLY, THAT IS A CONFRONTATION OVER THINGS THAT
CONFRONTATION OVER THINGS THAT ARE GOING ON WITH SYRIA.
ARE GOING ON WITH SYRIA. YOU ARE DIRECTING THOSE REMARKS
YOU ARE DIRECTING THOSE REMARKS TO THE RUSSIAN COUNTERPART AT
TO THE RUSSIAN COUNTERPART AT THE U.N.
THE U.N. WHEN YOU SAID NO EXECUTION OF A
WHEN YOU SAID NO EXECUTION OF A CHILD THAT GETS UNDER YOUR SKIN,
CHILD THAT GETS UNDER YOUR SKIN, THAT JUST CREEPS YOU OUT A
THAT JUST CREEPS YOU OUT A LITTLE BIT, YOU WERE NOT READING
LITTLE BIT, YOU WERE NOT READING YOUR PREPARED REMARKS.
YOUR PREPARED REMARKS. >> THOSE WERE NOT CLEARED BY
>> THOSE WERE NOT CLEARED BY 45,000 PEOPLE IN THE BOWELS OF
45,000 PEOPLE IN THE BOWELS OF THE STATE DEPART, NO, BUT THAT
THE STATE DEPART, NO, BUT THAT WAS A GREAT PRIVILEGE MANY THE
WAS A GREAT PRIVILEGE MANY THE ROLE THAT I HAD, I HAD A LONG
ROLE THAT I HAD, I HAD A LONG LEASH AS PRESIDENT OBAMA LIKED
LEASH AS PRESIDENT OBAMA LIKED TO SAY.
TO SAY. AND, YOU KNOW, PART OF WHAT WENT
AND, YOU KNOW, PART OF WHAT WENT ON IN THOSE JOBS AND COULD BE A
ON IN THOSE JOBS AND COULD BE A LITTLE BIT TERRIFYING AT TIMES
LITTLE BIT TERRIFYING AT TIMES BUT WAS TO HAVE TO PLAY OUT
BUT WAS TO HAVE TO PLAY OUT THOSE CONFRONTATIONS WITH RUSSIA
THOSE CONFRONTATIONS WITH RUSSIA ON LIVE TELEVISION FEELING LIKE
ON LIVE TELEVISION FEELING LIKE YOU’RE BACK IN THE COLD WAR.
YOU’RE BACK IN THE COLD WAR. THAT WASN’T THE JOB I THOUGHT I
THAT WASN’T THE JOB I THOUGHT I WAS TAKING.
WAS TAKING. I WAS TAKING A JOB WHERE WE HAD
I WAS TAKING A JOB WHERE WE HAD MOVED INTO THE RESET.
MOVED INTO THE RESET. WE WERE GOING TO TRY TO FIGURE
WE WERE GOING TO TRY TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO SOLVE PROBLEMS LIKE
OUT HOW TO SOLVE PROBLEMS LIKE WE DID ON THE IRAN NUCLEAR FILE
WE DID ON THE IRAN NUCLEAR FILE TOGETHER BUT THEN NOT LONG AFTER
TOGETHER BUT THEN NOT LONG AFTER I ARRIVED, THEY INVADED UKRAINE
I ARRIVED, THEY INVADED UKRAINE THEN DO WHAT THEY DO IN SYRIA.
THEN DO WHAT THEY DO IN SYRIA. I WILL SAY THAT THAT VIDEO, I
I WILL SAY THAT THAT VIDEO, I THINK, WHICH WENT VIRAL, AS THEY
THINK, WHICH WENT VIRAL, AS THEY SAY, AT THE TIME MAY HAVE GONE
SAY, AT THE TIME MAY HAVE GONE VIRAL A LITTLE BIT BECAUSE OF
VIRAL A LITTLE BIT BECAUSE OF THE BARBARISM OF WHAT THEY WERE
THE BARBARISM OF WHAT THEY WERE DOING IN ALEPPO AND WHAT THE
DOING IN ALEPPO AND WHAT THE SYRIAN REGIME WAS DOING, BUT I
SYRIAN REGIME WAS DOING, BUT I DO THINK TO YOUR POINT ABOUT THE
DO THINK TO YOUR POINT ABOUT THE TIMING, IT WAS A LOT ABOUT
TIMING, IT WAS A LOT ABOUT PEOPLE FEELING DESPERATELY
PEOPLE FEELING DESPERATELY LONGING FOR PEOPLE TO STILL
LONGING FOR PEOPLE TO STILL RETAIN THE ABILITY TO FEEL SHAME
RETAIN THE ABILITY TO FEEL SHAME INCLUDING IN OUR OWN POLITICS,
INCLUDING IN OUR OWN POLITICS, AND, OF COURSE, THE REVELATIONS
AND, OF COURSE, THE REVELATIONS ABOUT RUSSIA’S INTERFERENCE IN
ABOUT RUSSIA’S INTERFERENCE IN THE ELECTION WHICH HAD BEEN
THE ELECTION WHICH HAD BEEN KNOWN IN ADVANCE OF NOVEMBER UP
KNOWN IN ADVANCE OF NOVEMBER UP TO A POINT BUT THEN REALLY, YOU
TO A POINT BUT THEN REALLY, YOU KNOW, BURST ONTO THE PUBLIC
KNOW, BURST ONTO THE PUBLIC STAGE SO I THINK THAT’S WHAT
STAGE SO I THINK THAT’S WHAT PEOPLE WERE LONGING TO SAY TO
PEOPLE WERE LONGING TO SAY TO PUTIN IN THE WAKE OF THE RESULT,
PUTIN IN THE WAKE OF THE RESULT, THERE’S NOTHING YOU WON’T DO --
THERE’S NOTHING YOU WON’T DO -- >> YEAH.
>> YEAH. >> ARE THERE NO ACCOUNTABILITY,
>> ARE THERE NO ACCOUNTABILITY, ARE THERE NO STANDARDS IN THIS
ARE THERE NO STANDARDS IN THIS WORLD.
WORLD. >> THE WAY YOU’RE PUTTING THAT,
>> THE WAY YOU’RE PUTTING THAT, LOOKING BACK AT THAT TIME,
LOOKING BACK AT THAT TIME, TRYING FOR A RESET, TRYING FOR A
TRYING FOR A RESET, TRYING FOR A REORGANIZATION AND RENEWAL OF
REORGANIZATION AND RENEWAL OF TRUST WITH RUSSIA IN SO MANY
TRUST WITH RUSSIA IN SO MANY ISSUES, TO SEE THEM TAKE SO MANY
ISSUES, TO SEE THEM TAKE SO MANY DARK TURNS SO QUICKLY WITH WHAT
DARK TURNS SO QUICKLY WITH WHAT LOOKS VERY MUCH LIKE A STOLEN
LOOKS VERY MUCH LIKE A STOLEN ELECTION, IN TERMS OF WHAT
ELECTION, IN TERMS OF WHAT HAPPENED IN 2011 AND 2012 AND
HAPPENED IN 2011 AND 2012 AND PUTIN ENGINEERING HIMSELF BACK
PUTIN ENGINEERING HIMSELF BACK INTO ANOTHER TERM THEN THE
INTO ANOTHER TERM THEN THE ANNEXATION OF CRIMEA, THE
ANNEXATION OF CRIMEA, THE OCCUPATION AND THE WAR THEY
OCCUPATION AND THE WAR THEY STARTED IN UKRAINE THEN WHAT
STARTED IN UKRAINE THEN WHAT THEY DID TO US AND WHAT THEY DID
THEY DID TO US AND WHAT THEY DID IN SYRIA AND ALL OF THOSE
IN SYRIA AND ALL OF THOSE THINGS, I MEAN, WHEN YOU WERE IN
THINGS, I MEAN, WHEN YOU WERE IN THERE IN THE FIGHT, WERE YOU
THERE IN THE FIGHT, WERE YOU CONSTANTLY SURPRISED THAT RUSSIA
CONSTANTLY SURPRISED THAT RUSSIA WAS TAKING THESE DARK TURNS?
WAS TAKING THESE DARK TURNS? DID YOU FEEL LIKE THIS IDEA THAT
DID YOU FEEL LIKE THIS IDEA THAT THERE COULD HAVE BEEN A RESET,
THERE COULD HAVE BEEN A RESET, THERE COULD HAVE BEEN A MORE
THERE COULD HAVE BEEN A MORE CONSTRUCTIVE RELATIONSHIP WAS
CONSTRUCTIVE RELATIONSHIP WAS NAIVE?
NAIVE? DID THEY DO THINGS YOU EXPECTED
DID THEY DO THINGS YOU EXPECTED THEM TO DO?
THEM TO DO? >> THEY EXCEEDED MY WORST
>> THEY EXCEEDED MY WORST EXPECTATIONS, PUT IT THAT WAY.
EXPECTATIONS, PUT IT THAT WAY. CERTAINLY CULMINATEING IN THE
CERTAINLY CULMINATEING IN THE SCOPE OF THE ELECTION
SCOPE OF THE ELECTION INTERFERENCE, THE MULTIFACETED
INTERFERENCE, THE MULTIFACETED NATURE OF IT.
NATURE OF IT. SOME OF THAT, WE REALLY GOT MORE
SOME OF THAT, WE REALLY GOT MORE AND MORE OF THE DETAILS OF THAT
AND MORE OF THE DETAILS OF THAT AS TIME UNFOLDED.
AS TIME UNFOLDED. WE KNEW, YOU KNOW, WHAT THEY
WE KNEW, YOU KNOW, WHAT THEY WERE DOING AND TRIED TO RAISE
WERE DOING AND TRIED TO RAISE THE FLAG ABOUT WHAT THEY WERE
THE FLAG ABOUT WHAT THEY WERE DOING AHEAD OF TIME BUT NOWHERE
DOING AHEAD OF TIME BUT NOWHERE NEAR THE SCALE OF IT.
NEAR THE SCALE OF IT. BUT, YOU KNOW, THE RUSSIAN
BUT, YOU KNOW, THE RUSSIAN SYSTEM LIKE MANY AROUND THE
SYSTEM LIKE MANY AROUND THE WORLD WAS ALSO COMPRISED OF
WORLD WAS ALSO COMPRISED OF PEOPLE WITH VERY DIFFERENT
PEOPLE WITH VERY DIFFERENT SENSIBILITIES SO MY COUNTERPART
SENSIBILITIES SO MY COUNTERPART WAS TRYING TO KIND OF PULL WATER
WAS TRYING TO KIND OF PULL WATER FROM A STONE, TRY TO FORGE SOME
FROM A STONE, TRY TO FORGE SOME FORM OF COOPERATION AT THE SAME
FORM OF COOPERATION AT THE SAME TIME PUBLICLY HE’S SPEWING
TIME PUBLICLY HE’S SPEWING PUTIN’S LINES KNOWING IF HE
PUTIN’S LINES KNOWING IF HE DOESN’T, YOU KNOW, HE’LL LOSE
DOESN’T, YOU KNOW, HE’LL LOSE HIS JOB OR GOD KNOWS WHAT ELSE.
HIS JOB OR GOD KNOWS WHAT ELSE. AND SO IT REALLY WAS, I THINK
AND SO IT REALLY WAS, I THINK THERE WAS A MOMENT, I’M NOT SURE
THERE WAS A MOMENT, I’M NOT SURE EXACTLY -- I DON’T KNOW HOW I
EXACTLY -- I DON’T KNOW HOW I WOULD PINPOINT IT BUT WHERE
WOULD PINPOINT IT BUT WHERE PUTIN JUST DECIDED THAT THE
PUTIN JUST DECIDED THAT THE INTERNATIONAL ORDER THAT WAS
INTERNATIONAL ORDER THAT WAS COMING TO BE WITH THIS AGING
COMING TO BE WITH THIS AGING POPULATION AND ITS SORT OF
POPULATION AND ITS SORT OF STAGNANT ECONOMY, THAT THIS WAS
STAGNANT ECONOMY, THAT THIS WAS NOT AN ORDER THAT BENEFITED HIM
NOT AN ORDER THAT BENEFITED HIM POLITICAL
POLITICAL POLITICALLY.
POLITICALLY. LIKE OUR CURRENT PRESIDENT,
LIKE OUR CURRENT PRESIDENT, PUTIN CARES ABOUT PUTIN.
PUTIN CARES ABOUT PUTIN. PUTIN DOESN’T CARE ABOUT THE
PUTIN DOESN’T CARE ABOUT THE RUSSIAN PEOPLE.
RUSSIAN PEOPLE. SO FOR PUTIN, THE TICKET TO
SO FOR PUTIN, THE TICKET TO SELF-SUSTAINMENT WAS
SELF-SUSTAINMENT WAS DEMAGOGUERY, NATIONALISM, YOU
DEMAGOGUERY, NATIONALISM, YOU KNOW, BRINGING RUSSIA FROM ITS
KNOW, BRINGING RUSSIA FROM ITS KNEES.
KNEES. AND I THINK THERE IS A LESSON
AND I THINK THERE IS A LESSON FOR US WHICH WE DID NOT SEE
FOR US WHICH WE DID NOT SEE SUFFICIENTLY.
SUFFICIENTLY. WE, THE OBAMA ADMINISTRATION.
WE, THE OBAMA ADMINISTRATION. I THINK ACROSS THE BOARD THE
I THINK ACROSS THE BOARD THE SORT OF DIGNITY DEFICIT FOR
SORT OF DIGNITY DEFICIT FOR RUSSIA IN THE WAKE OF THE COLD
RUSSIA IN THE WAKE OF THE COLD WAR, WE WERE THUMPING OUR CHESTS
WAR, WE WERE THUMPING OUR CHESTS ABOUT THE VICTORY IN THE COLD
ABOUT THE VICTORY IN THE COLD WAR, YOU KNOW, THIS WAS A PROUD
WAR, YOU KNOW, THIS WAS A PROUD NATION WITH AN AMAZING HISTORY,
NATION WITH AN AMAZING HISTORY, WITH AN AMAZING TRADITIONS AND
WITH AN AMAZING TRADITIONS AND JUST FEELING PASSED.
JUST FEELING PASSED. AS WE’RE MOVING ON, I THINK
AS WE’RE MOVING ON, I THINK ABOUT OUR RELATIONSHIP WITH
ABOUT OUR RELATIONSHIP WITH CHINA, HOW THE EUROPEAN UNION IS
CHINA, HOW THE EUROPEAN UNION IS GOING TO BE THE NEW PARTNER, SO,
GOING TO BE THE NEW PARTNER, SO, YOU KNOW, I THINK ALL OF US HAVE
YOU KNOW, I THINK ALL OF US HAVE TO LOOK BACK AT THE MISSED
TO LOOK BACK AT THE MISSED MOMENTS, MAYBE THERE WAS SOME
MOMENTS, MAYBE THERE WAS SOME INITIATIVE, SOMETHING WE COULD
INITIATIVE, SOMETHING WE COULD HAVE TRIED THAT WOULD HAVE MET
HAVE TRIED THAT WOULD HAVE MET THEM WHERE THEY ARE.
THEM WHERE THEY ARE. I THINK PUTIN’S OWN OBJECTIVE IN
I THINK PUTIN’S OWN OBJECTIVE IN ENHANCING HIS OWN POWER LED HIM
ENHANCING HIS OWN POWER LED HIM TO BASICALLY TEAR UP THE
TO BASICALLY TEAR UP THE ENVELOPE TO THE WORLD.
ENVELOPE TO THE WORLD. >> AND DECIDE THAT NOTHING THAT
>> AND DECIDE THAT NOTHING THAT THAT WESTERN-LED ORDER COULD
THAT WESTERN-LED ORDER COULD DETERMINE TO HIM WITH
DETERMINE TO HIM WITH CONSEQUENCES IN TERMS OF
CONSEQUENCES IN TERMS OF ANYTHING HE WAS GOING TO CARE
ANYTHING HE WAS GOING TO CARE ABOUT.
ABOUT. >> ABSOLUTELY.
>> ABSOLUTELY. >> I HAVE TO ASK YOU ABOUT
>> I HAVE TO ASK YOU ABOUT TODAY’S NEWS THAT THE PRESIDENT
TODAY’S NEWS THAT THE PRESIDENT IS GOING TO BE LOOKING FOR A
IS GOING TO BE LOOKING FOR A FOURTH NATIONAL SECURITY ADVISER
FOURTH NATIONAL SECURITY ADVISER WHICH IS AN --
WHICH IS AN -- >> SO FAR.
>> SO FAR. >> -- UNPRECEDENTED PACE.
>> -- UNPRECEDENTED PACE. EXACTLY.
EXACTLY. SO FAR HE’S GOING FOR NUMBER
SO FAR HE’S GOING FOR NUMBER FOUR.
FOUR. HE’S ALREADY BROKEN HIS OWN
HE’S ALREADY BROKEN HIS OWN RECORD IN TERMS OF THE NUMBER OF
RECORD IN TERMS OF THE NUMBER OF NATIONAL SECURITY ADVISERS HE’S
NATIONAL SECURITY ADVISERS HE’S GONE THROUGH.
GONE THROUGH. HAVING BEEN PART OF THE NATIONAL
HAVING BEEN PART OF THE NATIONAL SECURITY COUNCIL PROCESS, HAVING
SECURITY COUNCIL PROCESS, HAVING SPENT ALL THOSE YEARS WITH
SPENT ALL THOSE YEARS WITH PRESIDENT OBAMA WHO OBVIOUSLY
PRESIDENT OBAMA WHO OBVIOUSLY HAD A VERY DIFFERENT APPROACH TO
HAD A VERY DIFFERENT APPROACH TO THESE MATTERS, IS IT DANGEROUS,
THESE MATTERS, IS IT DANGEROUS, IS IT THINGS THAT WE AS REGULAR
IS IT THINGS THAT WE AS REGULAR CITIZENS SHOULD WORRY ABOUT TO
CITIZENS SHOULD WORRY ABOUT TO HAVE THAT KIND OF TURNOVER IN
HAVE THAT KIND OF TURNOVER IN THAT KIND OF JOB?
THAT KIND OF JOB? >>
>> VACANCY THERE NOW WITH WHO JUST
VACANCY THERE NOW WITH WHO JUST HELD THE JOB, RIGHT?
HELD THE JOB, RIGHT? BECAUSE HAVING JOHN BOLTON AS
BECAUSE HAVING JOHN BOLTON AS NATIONAL SECURITY ADVISER HAD
NATIONAL SECURITY ADVISER HAD ITS OWN PERILS ASSOCIATED WITH
ITS OWN PERILS ASSOCIATED WITH IT AS WE SAW IN NEARLY LAUNCHING
IT AS WE SAW IN NEARLY LAUNCHING A MILITARY STRIKE AGAINST IRAN.
A MILITARY STRIKE AGAINST IRAN. BUT IF YOU COMBINE THAT WITH NOT
BUT IF YOU COMBINE THAT WITH NOT HAVING A SECRETARY OF HOMELAND
HAVING A SECRETARY OF HOMELAND SECURITY, DEPUTY HOMELAND
SECURITY, DEPUTY HOMELAND SECURITY, 22 VACANCIES AT THE
SECURITY, 22 VACANCIES AT THE PENTAGON, MULTIPLE AMBASSADORIAL
PENTAGON, MULTIPLE AMBASSADORIAL POSTS WITHOUT AMBASSADORS IN
POSTS WITHOUT AMBASSADORS IN REALLY IMPORTANT PLACES AND NO
REALLY IMPORTANT PLACES AND NO DIRECTOR OF NATIONAL
DIRECTOR OF NATIONAL INTELLIGENCE, NO DEPUTY DIRECTOR
INTELLIGENCE, NO DEPUTY DIRECTOR OF NATIONAL INTELLIGENCE, I
OF NATIONAL INTELLIGENCE, I MEAN, THESE JOBS EXIST FOR A
MEAN, THESE JOBS EXIST FOR A REASON.
REASON. YES, THERE CAN BE TOO MUCH
YES, THERE CAN BE TOO MUCH BUREAUCRACY.
BUREAUCRACY. BUT TO HAVE SENIOR PEOPLE AROUND
BUT TO HAVE SENIOR PEOPLE AROUND THE ROOM WHO TELL -- I HOPE THIS
THE ROOM WHO TELL -- I HOPE THIS HAPPENS IN SOME ROOM SOMEWHERE
HAPPENS IN SOME ROOM SOMEWHERE IN THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION.
IN THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION. IT’S NOT EVIDENT THAT IT DOES.
IT’S NOT EVIDENT THAT IT DOES. BUT WHERE YOU HAVE PEOPLE WITH
BUT WHERE YOU HAVE PEOPLE WITH DIFFERENT VIEWPOINTS WHO
DIFFERENT VIEWPOINTS WHO CHALLENGE PROPOSITIONS THAT ARE
CHALLENGE PROPOSITIONS THAT ARE AT THE TABLE, BRINGING THEIR
AT THE TABLE, BRINGING THEIR DIFFERENT LIFE EXPERIENCES,
DIFFERENT LIFE EXPERIENCES, THEIR DIFFERENT SO-CALLED
THEIR DIFFERENT SO-CALLED EQUITIES.
EQUITIES. THAT’S JUST -- THERE WAS NO
THAT’S JUST -- THERE WAS NO PROCESS UNDER JOHN BOLTON.
PROCESS UNDER JOHN BOLTON. THERE HAS BEEN NO PROCESS REALLY
THERE HAS BEEN NO PROCESS REALLY FROM THE BEGINNING.
FROM THE BEGINNING. >> YOU CHAFE AT SOME OF THE
>> YOU CHAFE AT SOME OF THE PROCESS.
PROCESS. IN THE BOOK YOU TALK ABOUT BEING
IN THE BOOK YOU TALK ABOUT BEING AMAZED HOW MANY [email protected] IN THE
AMAZED HOW MANY [email protected] IN THE KITCHEN AND --
KITCHEN AND -- >> IT’S SPINACH, RIGHT?
>> IT’S SPINACH, RIGHT? INITIALLY I CHAFED SO MUCH
INITIALLY I CHAFED SO MUCH BECAUSE ALL THE CLEARANCES AND
BECAUSE ALL THE CLEARANCES AND JUST THE BUREAUCRATESE AND
JUST THE BUREAUCRATESE AND WANTING TO THINK ABOUT HOW WE
WANTING TO THINK ABOUT HOW WE WANT TO PROMOTE HUMAN RIGHTS OR
WANT TO PROMOTE HUMAN RIGHTS OR HOW WE CURTAIL ASSISTANCE TO AN
HOW WE CURTAIL ASSISTANCE TO AN ABUSER, HOW WE DO THIS OR THAT,
ABUSER, HOW WE DO THIS OR THAT, AND THERE ARE 15 PEOPLE I HAVE
AND THERE ARE 15 PEOPLE I HAVE TO CHENG WITH BEFORE I EVEN MEET
TO CHENG WITH BEFORE I EVEN MEET WITH A DISSIDENT IN THE WHITE
WITH A DISSIDENT IN THE WHITE HOUSE.
HOUSE. IT MADE ME CRAZY.
IT MADE ME CRAZY. BUT AT THE SAME TIME I WANT A
BUT AT THE SAME TIME I WANT A HUMAN RIGHTS VOICE IN THE ROOM
HUMAN RIGHTS VOICE IN THE ROOM WHEN WE’RE TALKING ABOUT THE
WHEN WE’RE TALKING ABOUT THE DRONE PROGRAM OR WHEN WE’RE
DRONE PROGRAM OR WHEN WE’RE TALKING ABOUT RESUMING MILITARY
TALKING ABOUT RESUMING MILITARY ASSISTANCE TO AN BUSIVE REABUSIV
ASSISTANCE TO AN BUSIVE REABUSIV I WANT TO BE THAT VOICE IN THE
I WANT TO BE THAT VOICE IN THE ROOM.
ROOM. PROCESS PROTECTS YOU, ESPECIALLY
PROCESS PROTECTS YOU, ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU HAVE A LEADER WHO’S
WHEN YOU HAVE A LEADER WHO’S CAPABLE OF BEING CHALLENGED, WHO
CAPABLE OF BEING CHALLENGED, WHO INVITES CHALLENGE, AS PRESIDENT
INVITES CHALLENGE, AS PRESIDENT OBAMA DID.
OBAMA DID. IF I WAS QUIET IN A MEETING BUT
IF I WAS QUIET IN A MEETING BUT I HAVE SORT OF NOT THE BEST
I HAVE SORT OF NOT THE BEST POKER FACE IN THE HISTORY OF THE
POKER FACE IN THE HISTORY OF THE WORLD AND OBAMA WOULD BE LIKE,
WORLD AND OBAMA WOULD BE LIKE, WHAT’S WRONG WITH SAM?
WHAT’S WRONG WITH SAM? YOU KNOW, IS SHE SICK?
YOU KNOW, IS SHE SICK? ARE YOU SICK?
ARE YOU SICK? LIKE WHAT’S ON YOUR MIND?
LIKE WHAT’S ON YOUR MIND? YOU’RE FROWNING.
YOU’RE FROWNING. YOU KNOW, HE WANTED -- AND THEN
YOU KNOW, HE WANTED -- AND THEN HE MAY NOT LIKE WHAT I HEARD.
HE MAY NOT LIKE WHAT I HEARD. HE MAY REGRET THAT HE CALLED ON
HE MAY REGRET THAT HE CALLED ON ME.
ME. BUT IT’S THE COMPLETE OPPOSITE.
BUT IT’S THE COMPLETE OPPOSITE. I MEAN, HERE WHY DID BOLTON LOSE
I MEAN, HERE WHY DID BOLTON LOSE HIS JOB?
HIS JOB? BECAUSE HE ACTUALLY DISAGREED.
BECAUSE HE ACTUALLY DISAGREED. >> MM-HMM.
>> MM-HMM. >> SO YOU DON’T KNOW WHAT TO
>> SO YOU DON’T KNOW WHAT TO FEAR MOST, BOLTON AGREEING WITH
FEAR MOST, BOLTON AGREEING WITH THE PRESIDENT OR BOLTON
THE PRESIDENT OR BOLTON DISAGREEING AND -- YOU KNOW, BUT
DISAGREEING AND -- YOU KNOW, BUT ANY DISSENT, ANYTHING THAT ISN’T
ANY DISSENT, ANYTHING THAT ISN’T ALIGNED WITH THE MERCURIAL
ALIGNED WITH THE MERCURIAL INSTINCTS OF THIS PERSON WHO
INSTINCTS OF THIS PERSON WHO RULES BY FIAT AND NOT THROUGH A
RULES BY FIAT AND NOT THROUGH A DELIBERATIVE PROCESS, YOU KNOW,
DELIBERATIVE PROCESS, YOU KNOW, IS NOT ONLY FROWNED UPON BUT
IS NOT ONLY FROWNED UPON BUT THEY GET THE AX.
THEY GET THE AX. >> I HAVE ONE LAST QUESTION I
>> I HAVE ONE LAST QUESTION I WANT TO ASK YOU ABOUT THIS BOOK.
WANT TO ASK YOU ABOUT THIS BOOK. CAN YOU STAY FOR JUST A SECOND?
CAN YOU STAY FOR JUST A SECOND? >> YES.
>> YES. >> SAMANTHA POWER IS OUR GUEST.

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