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MSNBC 28 Jan 2020

Rep. Adam Schiff: Trump Defense Forced To Fall Back On 'So What?'

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Rep. Adam Schiff, a House impeachment manager, talks with Rachel Maddow about the prospects for witnesses being allowed in the Senate impeachment trial of Donald Trump, and how the House manager team is preparing for questions from senators. Aired on 1/28/2020.


Rep. Adam Schiff, D-Calif., criticized the arguments from Trump's defense team and said they were "born of desperation." He also claimed the defense was trying "to put a muzzle on John Bolton" and prevent his testimony. Aired on 1/30/2020.
Rep. Adam Schiff, D-Calif., claimed that President Trump "betrayed his oath to protect and defend the Constitution" during his closing arguments for the Senate impeachment trial.
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Plus 0% interest for 24 months on all smart beds. Only for a limited time.
Only for a limited time. >>> JOINING US NOW LIVE IS
>>> JOINING US NOW LIVE IS CONGRESSMAN ADAM SCHIFF.
CONGRESSMAN ADAM SCHIFF. HE IS THE CHAIR OF THE HOUSE
HE IS THE CHAIR OF THE HOUSE INTELLIGENCE COMMITTEE.
INTELLIGENCE COMMITTEE. HE’S ONE OF THE HOUSE
HE’S ONE OF THE HOUSE IMPEACHMENT MANAGERS.
IMPEACHMENT MANAGERS. HE’S BEEN AT THE CENTER OF THE
HE’S BEEN AT THE CENTER OF THE IMPEACHMENT TRIAL.
IMPEACHMENT TRIAL. MR. CHAIRMAN, THANK YOU SO MUCH
MR. CHAIRMAN, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR JOINING US TONIGHT.
FOR JOINING US TONIGHT. IT’S A PLEASURE TO HAVE YOU.
IT’S A PLEASURE TO HAVE YOU. >> THANK YOU.
>> THANK YOU. GOOD TO BE WITH YOU.
GOOD TO BE WITH YOU. >> SO, THERE’S BEEN SOME
>> SO, THERE’S BEEN SOME REPORTING SORT OF ON BOTH SIDES
REPORTING SORT OF ON BOTH SIDES AS TO WHETHER OR NOT SENATE
AS TO WHETHER OR NOT SENATE MAJORITY LEADER McCONNELL HAS
MAJORITY LEADER McCONNELL HAS THE 51 VOTES HE’S TRYING TO GET
THE 51 VOTES HE’S TRYING TO GET TO BLOCK ANY WITNESS TESTIMONY
TO BLOCK ANY WITNESS TESTIMONY AT THE TRIAL.
AT THE TRIAL. WHETHER HE REALLY DOESN’T HAVE
WHETHER HE REALLY DOESN’T HAVE THE VOTES OR HE DOES PRESIDENT
THE VOTES OR HE DOES PRESIDENT HAVE
HAVE THE VOTES OR HE DOESN’T HAVE
THE VOTES OR HE DOESN’T HAVE THEM NOW, IS NOT SURE.
THEM NOW, IS NOT SURE. WHAT IS YOUR UNDERSTANDING?
WHAT IS YOUR UNDERSTANDING? >> IT’S IN A STATE OF FLUX.
>> IT’S IN A STATE OF FLUX. I DON’T THINK THE SENATE LEADER
I DON’T THINK THE SENATE LEADER CAN BE ALL THAT CONFIDENT OF HOW
CAN BE ALL THAT CONFIDENT OF HOW IT’S GOING TO TURN OUT.
IT’S GOING TO TURN OUT. I THINK IT’S INCREASINGLY HARD
I THINK IT’S INCREASINGLY HARD EVERY MOMENT EVERY DAY FOR
EVERY MOMENT EVERY DAY FOR REPUBLICAN SENATORS TO SAY, WE
REPUBLICAN SENATORS TO SAY, WE DON’T WANT TO HEAR FROM THIS
DON’T WANT TO HEAR FROM THIS WITNESS WHO WAS AT THE CENTER OF
WITNESS WHO WAS AT THE CENTER OF THINGS THAT HAD THE PRESIDENT’S
THINGS THAT HAD THE PRESIDENT’S EAR, THAT THE PRESIDENT TALKED
EAR, THAT THE PRESIDENT TALKED TO ABOUT THE HEART OF WHAT THE
TO ABOUT THE HEART OF WHAT THE PRESIDENT IS CHARGED WITH.
PRESIDENT IS CHARGED WITH. AND, THEREFORE, WE COME TO THE
AND, THEREFORE, WE COME TO THE END, AT LEAST OF THIS BEGINNING
END, AT LEAST OF THIS BEGINNING OF THE TRIAL WHERE WE THOUGHT WE
OF THE TRIAL WHERE WE THOUGHT WE WOULD BE ONCE WE PRESENTED OUR
WOULD BE ONCE WE PRESENTED OUR CASE, AND THE PRESIDENT
CASE, AND THE PRESIDENT PRESENTED HIS CASE, AND THAT IS
PRESENTED HIS CASE, AND THAT IS THE PRESIDENT’S TEAM BASICALLY
THE PRESIDENT’S TEAM BASICALLY HAS ADMITTED THAT DONALD TRUMP
HAS ADMITTED THAT DONALD TRUMP ACTED CORRUPTLY, WITHHELD THIS
ACTED CORRUPTLY, WITHHELD THIS MONEY, TRIED TO CHEAT IN THE
MONEY, TRIED TO CHEAT IN THE NEXT ELECTION, USE THE MONEY TO
NEXT ELECTION, USE THE MONEY TO COERCE OR EXTORT THE LEADER OF
COERCE OR EXTORT THE LEADER OF UKRAINE INTO DOING HIS POLITICAL
UKRAINE INTO DOING HIS POLITICAL DIRTY WORK.
DIRTY WORK. SO ALL WE CAN FALL BACK ON NOW
SO ALL WE CAN FALL BACK ON NOW IS, SO WHAT?
IS, SO WHAT? THE CONSTITUTION DOESN’T ALLOW
THE CONSTITUTION DOESN’T ALLOW US TO DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT.
US TO DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT. AND FOR THAT ARGUMENT THEIR
AND FOR THAT ARGUMENT THEIR SAVIOR IS ALAN DERSHOWITZ, A
SAVIOR IS ALAN DERSHOWITZ, A CRIMINAL DEFENSE LAWYER WHO
CRIMINAL DEFENSE LAWYER WHO ADMITS IN HIS STATEMENT THAT HIS
ADMITS IN HIS STATEMENT THAT HIS VIEW IS OUT OF THE MAINSTREAM.
VIEW IS OUT OF THE MAINSTREAM. INDEED, JONATHAN TURLEY, WHO IS
INDEED, JONATHAN TURLEY, WHO IS THE REPUBLICAN’S OWN
THE REPUBLICAN’S OWN CONSTITUTIONAL EXPERT IN THE
CONSTITUTIONAL EXPERT IN THE HOUSE, HAS SAID NOW AGAIN
HOUSE, HAS SAID NOW AGAIN PUBLICLY DERSHOWITZ IS WRONG.
PUBLICLY DERSHOWITZ IS WRONG. BUT YOU DON’T NEED
BUT YOU DON’T NEED CONSTITUTIONAL LAW PROFESSORS TO
CONSTITUTIONAL LAW PROFESSORS TO TELL YOU THAT THIS WHOLE THEORY
TELL YOU THAT THIS WHOLE THEORY IS WRONG.
IS WRONG. YOU JUST HAVE TO APPLY COMMON
YOU JUST HAVE TO APPLY COMMON SENSE.
SENSE. ARE THE REPUBLICAN SENATORS
ARE THE REPUBLICAN SENATORS REALLY PREPARED TO SAY THAT A
REALLY PREPARED TO SAY THAT A PRESIDENT WHO COMPROMISES OUR
PRESIDENT WHO COMPROMISES OUR NATIONAL SECURITY USES HUNDREDS
NATIONAL SECURITY USES HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS OF
OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS OF TAXPAYER MONEY FOR MILITARY GEAR
TAXPAYER MONEY FOR MILITARY GEAR AND WEAPONS TO HELP AN ALLY
AND WEAPONS TO HELP AN ALLY DEFEND ITSELF AGAINST OUR
DEFEND ITSELF AGAINST OUR ADVERSARY TO COERCE POLITICAL
ADVERSARY TO COERCE POLITICAL INVESTIGATIONS INTO HIS
INVESTIGATIONS INTO HIS OPPONENT, ARE WE REALLY PREPARED
OPPONENT, ARE WE REALLY PREPARED TO SAY THAT THAT CONDUCT IS
TO SAY THAT THAT CONDUCT IS COMPATIBLE WITH THE OFFICE OF
COMPATIBLE WITH THE OFFICE OF THE PRESIDENT?
THE PRESIDENT? >> TOMORROW BEGINS A NEW PHASE
>> TOMORROW BEGINS A NEW PHASE OF THE TRIAL.
OF THE TRIAL. YOU SAID THIS IS SORT OF THE END
YOU SAID THIS IS SORT OF THE END OF THE BEGINNING.
OF THE BEGINNING. WE’RE GOING TO START TOMORROW 16
WE’RE GOING TO START TOMORROW 16 HOURS OF WRITTEN QUESTIONS FROM
HOURS OF WRITTEN QUESTIONS FROM SENATORS ON BOTH SIDES.
SENATORS ON BOTH SIDES. AND I WENT THROUGH ALL OF THE
AND I WENT THROUGH ALL OF THE QUESTIONS THAT WERE SUBMITTED IN
QUESTIONS THAT WERE SUBMITTED IN THE CLINTON IMPEACHMENT TRIAL.
THE CLINTON IMPEACHMENT TRIAL. I SAW THE REMARKS TODAY FROM
I SAW THE REMARKS TODAY FROM CHIEF JUSTICE ROBERTS, THAT HE
CHIEF JUSTICE ROBERTS, THAT HE WANTS THE QUESTIONS TO BE FRAMED
WANTS THE QUESTIONS TO BE FRAMED IN SUCH A WAY THAT THEY CAN BE
IN SUCH A WAY THAT THEY CAN BE ANSWERED IN FIVE MINUTES.
ANSWERED IN FIVE MINUTES. I WONDER HOW YOU AND YOUR TEAM
I WONDER HOW YOU AND YOUR TEAM ARE PREPARING FOR THIS NEXT
ARE PREPARING FOR THIS NEXT STAGE.
STAGE. YOU OBVIOUSLY DON’T KNOW WHAT
YOU OBVIOUSLY DON’T KNOW WHAT YOU’RE GOING TO BE ASKED AND YOU
YOU’RE GOING TO BE ASKED AND YOU NEED TO BE PREPARED TO ANSWER IN
NEED TO BE PREPARED TO ANSWER IN FAIRLY SHORT BITES ON ANY NUMBER
FAIRLY SHORT BITES ON ANY NUMBER OF THINGS THAT YOU MIGHT GET
OF THINGS THAT YOU MIGHT GET FROM EACH SIDE.
FROM EACH SIDE. >> WELL, WE’VE TRIED TO DIVIDE
>> WELL, WE’VE TRIED TO DIVIDE UP THE TOPICS SO THAT MEMBERS
UP THE TOPICS SO THAT MEMBERS CAN FOCUS IN ON SPECIFIC SUBJECT
CAN FOCUS IN ON SPECIFIC SUBJECT MATTER AREAS SO IF THE QUESTIONS
MATTER AREAS SO IF THE QUESTIONS RELATE TO THAT AREA, WE HAVE A
RELATE TO THAT AREA, WE HAVE A MANAGER TO GO TO HERE OR THERE.
MANAGER TO GO TO HERE OR THERE. IT’S DIFFICULT TO DIVIDE THEM
IT’S DIFFICULT TO DIVIDE THEM OUT PRECISELY.
OUT PRECISELY. YOU CAN’T ANTICIPATE EVERYTHING
YOU CAN’T ANTICIPATE EVERYTHING YOU’RE GOING TO BE ASKED, BUT WE
YOU’RE GOING TO BE ASKED, BUT WE CAN ANTICIPATE A LOT OF IT.
CAN ANTICIPATE A LOT OF IT. I LOOKED AT THE CLINTON
I LOOKED AT THE CLINTON QUESTIONS.
QUESTIONS. A LOT OF THEM WOULD ASK THE SIDE
A LOT OF THEM WOULD ASK THE SIDE THAT SUPPORTED THE CASE THAT THE
THAT SUPPORTED THE CASE THAT THE SENATORS BELIEVED HAD BEEN MADE,
SENATORS BELIEVED HAD BEEN MADE, AND THEN THE OTHER SIDE WOULD
AND THEN THE OTHER SIDE WOULD ASK THE OTHER, EITHER THE
ASK THE OTHER, EITHER THE MANAGERS OR THE PRESIDENT’S
MANAGERS OR THE PRESIDENT’S LAWYERS, IF THEY WANTED TO
LAWYERS, IF THEY WANTED TO RESPOND TO WHAT HAD JUST BEEN
RESPOND TO WHAT HAD JUST BEEN SAID.
SAID. BOTH PARTIES I THINK USED IT TO
BOTH PARTIES I THINK USED IT TO EXPAND THEIR CASE, BUT ALSO
EXPAND THEIR CASE, BUT ALSO RESPOND AND REBUT ARGUMENTS MADE
RESPOND AND REBUT ARGUMENTS MADE BY THE OTHER SIDE.
BY THE OTHER SIDE. SO I WOULD ANTICIPATE THAT’S

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