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MSNBC 20 Jan 2020

Questions Swirl Around AG Barr As Trump Impeachment Trial Begins

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Lev Parnas's attorney requested that Attorney General William Barr recuse himself from the federal campaign finance case against Parnas. We discuss how it all ties into Trump's impeachment trial. Aired on 01/20/20.


The U.S. Senate impeachment trial of U.S. President Donald Trump draws to a close this week after months of investigation by the Democratic-majority House of Representatives. Trump is expected to be acquitted of charges he abused the power of his office and obstructed Congress' efforts to investigate him when the 100 senators acting as jurors in the trial vote Wednesday. But as VOA's congressional correspondent Katherine Gypson reports.
Legal experts weigh in on Trump's impeachment trial after the Senate votes to acquit.
Key Republican Senator Lisa Murkowski said that she would not vote to convict President Trump at his impeachment trial, although she condemned his actions as "shameful."
Presidential historian Doug Wead shares his insights and provides historical context to the impeachment trial. #FoxBusiness

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>>> WAS THE ATTORNEY GENERAL IN
>>> WAS THE ATTORNEY GENERAL IN ON WHATEVER WAS GOING ON THERE
ON WHATEVER WAS GOING ON THERE IN THE UKRAINE?
IN THE UKRAINE? >> I HAVE NEVER SPOKEN TO
>> I HAVE NEVER SPOKEN TO ATTORNEY GENERAL BARR ABOUT THIS
ATTORNEY GENERAL BARR ABOUT THIS INVESTIGATION, EVER.
INVESTIGATION, EVER. I HAVE BEEN CIRCUMSPECT,
I HAVE BEEN CIRCUMSPECT, CAREFULLY, EXCEEDINGLY CAREFUL.
CAREFULLY, EXCEEDINGLY CAREFUL. NOT ONLY THAT, PARNAS KNOWS
NOT ONLY THAT, PARNAS KNOWS THAT.
THAT. I TOLD PARNAS SEVERAL TIMES THAT
I TOLD PARNAS SEVERAL TIMES THAT I WOULD MAKE SURE I WOULD NEVER
I WOULD MAKE SURE I WOULD NEVER GO TO THE ATTORNEY GENERAL WITH
GO TO THE ATTORNEY GENERAL WITH IT SO I WOULDN’T COMPROMISE HIM.
IT SO I WOULDN’T COMPROMISE HIM. >> THAT’S RUDY ON FOX NEWS
>> THAT’S RUDY ON FOX NEWS TONIGHT MAKING HIS OWN CASE
TONIGHT MAKING HIS OWN CASE WHILE HIS INDICTED ONETIME BUDDY
WHILE HIS INDICTED ONETIME BUDDY IS DOING THE SAME.
IS DOING THE SAME. LEV PARNAS’ ATTORNEY TODAY
LEV PARNAS’ ATTORNEY TODAY REQUESTED THAT ATTORNEY GENERAL
REQUESTED THAT ATTORNEY GENERAL WILLIAM BARR RECUSE HIMSELF,
WILLIAM BARR RECUSE HIMSELF, TAKE HIMSELF OUT OF THE FEDERAL
TAKE HIMSELF OUT OF THE FEDERAL CAMPAIGN FINANCE CASE AGAINST
CAMPAIGN FINANCE CASE AGAINST PARNAS.
PARNAS. HE’S ALSO CALLING FOR THE
HE’S ALSO CALLING FOR THE APPOINTMENT OF A SPECIAL
APPOINTMENT OF A SPECIAL PROSECUTOR, CLAIMING PROSECUTORS
PROSECUTOR, CLAIMING PROSECUTORS HAVE REFUSED TO MEET WITH HIM
HAVE REFUSED TO MEET WITH HIM AND RECEIVE INFORMATION ON THE
AND RECEIVE INFORMATION ON THE PRESIDENT, ON GIULIANI AND THE
PRESIDENT, ON GIULIANI AND THE OTHER SIGNIFICANT PLAYERS.
OTHER SIGNIFICANT PLAYERS. HERE IS A REMINDER OF WHAT
HERE IS A REMINDER OF WHAT PARNAS TOLD RACHEL MADDOW ABOUT
PARNAS TOLD RACHEL MADDOW ABOUT THE ROLE THAT BILL BARR PLAYED.
THE ROLE THAT BILL BARR PLAYED. >> DO YOU KNOW IF MR. GIULIANI
>> DO YOU KNOW IF MR. GIULIANI WAS EVER IN CONTACT WITH
WAS EVER IN CONTACT WITH MR. BARR SPECIFICALLY ABOUT THE
MR. BARR SPECIFICALLY ABOUT THE FACT THAT HE WAS TRYING TO GET
FACT THAT HE WAS TRYING TO GET UKRAINE TO ANNOUNCE THESE
UKRAINE TO ANNOUNCE THESE INVESTIGATIONS INTO JOE BIDEN?
INVESTIGATIONS INTO JOE BIDEN? >> OH, ABSOLUTELY.
>> OH, ABSOLUTELY. >> MR. BARR KNEW ABOUT THAT?
>> MR. BARR KNEW ABOUT THAT? >> MR. BARR HAD TO HAVE KNOWN
>> MR. BARR HAD TO HAVE KNOWN EVERYTHING.
EVERYTHING. THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN WHY TRUMP
THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN WHY TRUMP IS SO POWERFUL NOW AND -- HE
IS SO POWERFUL NOW AND -- HE WASN’T AS POWERFUL IN 16 AND 17.
WASN’T AS POWERFUL IN 16 AND 17. HE BECAME THAT POWERFUL WHEN HE
HE BECAME THAT POWERFUL WHEN HE GOT WILLIAM BARR.
GOT WILLIAM BARR. >> THAT GETS YOUR ATTENTION AS
>> THAT GETS YOUR ATTENTION AS THEY SAY.
THEY SAY. WITH US FOR MORE TONIGHT, MAYA
WITH US FOR MORE TONIGHT, MAYA WILEY, FORMER ASSISTANT U.S.
WILEY, FORMER ASSISTANT U.S. ATTORNEY FOR THE SOUTHERN
ATTORNEY FOR THE SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK, NOW WITH
DISTRICT OF NEW YORK, NOW WITH THE NEW SCHOOL HERE IN NEW YORK.
THE NEW SCHOOL HERE IN NEW YORK. AND RICK WILSON, LONGTIME
AND RICK WILSON, LONGTIME REPUBLICAN STRATEGIST,
REPUBLICAN STRATEGIST, CO-FOUNDER OF THE LINCOLN
CO-FOUNDER OF THE LINCOLN PROJECT, A SUPERPAC CREATED BY
PROJECT, A SUPERPAC CREATED BY CONSERVATIVES WITH THE AIM OF
CONSERVATIVES WITH THE AIM OF DEFEATING TRUMP AND TRUMPISM.
DEFEATING TRUMP AND TRUMPISM. HIS NEW BOOK GOES A LONG WAY
HIS NEW BOOK GOES A LONG WAY TOWARD THAT VERY IDEA.
TOWARD THAT VERY IDEA. "RUNNING AGAINST THE DEVIL: A
"RUNNING AGAINST THE DEVIL: A PLOT TO SAVE AMERICA FROM TRUMPS
PLOT TO SAVE AMERICA FROM TRUMPS AND DEMOCRATS FROM THEMSELVES."
AND DEMOCRATS FROM THEMSELVES." WE WELCOME YOU BOTH TONIGHT.
WE WELCOME YOU BOTH TONIGHT. MAYA WILEY, IN NORMAL TIMES,
MAYA WILEY, IN NORMAL TIMES, WOULD LEV PARNAS HAVE A LOCK
WOULD LEV PARNAS HAVE A LOCK CINCH DEAL WITH THE FEDS IN NEW
CINCH DEAL WITH THE FEDS IN NEW YORK?
YORK? WOULD THERE BE AN INVESTIGATION
WOULD THERE BE AN INVESTIGATION LAUNCHED AS IN DO YOU HEAR WHAT
LAUNCHED AS IN DO YOU HEAR WHAT THIS GUY IS SAYING ABOUT PEOPLE
THIS GUY IS SAYING ABOUT PEOPLE AT THE HIGHEST LEVELS OF OUR
AT THE HIGHEST LEVELS OF OUR GOVERNMENT?
GOVERNMENT? >> THAT’S A HARD QUESTION TO
>> THAT’S A HARD QUESTION TO ANSWER QUITE HONESTLY, BRIAN,
ANSWER QUITE HONESTLY, BRIAN, AND HERE’S WHAT I MEAN BY THAT.
AND HERE’S WHAT I MEAN BY THAT. I DON’T THINK THERE’S ANY
I DON’T THINK THERE’S ANY QUESTION THAT WILLIAM BARR HAS
QUESTION THAT WILLIAM BARR HAS EARNED HIMSELF AN IMPEACHMENT
EARNED HIMSELF AN IMPEACHMENT INQUIRY.
INQUIRY. SO THAT’S CLEAR, AND THAT STARTS
SO THAT’S CLEAR, AND THAT STARTS FROM HIS MISREPRESENTING THE
FROM HIS MISREPRESENTING THE MUELLER PROBE REPORT BEFORE IT’S
MUELLER PROBE REPORT BEFORE IT’S RELEASED, KNOWING THAT ROBERT
RELEASED, KNOWING THAT ROBERT MUELLER HAS SOME ISSUES WITH THE
MUELLER HAS SOME ISSUES WITH THE WAY HE’S HANDLING IT.
WAY HE’S HANDLING IT. THAT GOES TO THE FACT THAT HE,
THAT GOES TO THE FACT THAT HE, HIMSELF, HAS PERSONALLY FLOWN
HIMSELF, HAS PERSONALLY FLOWN AROUND THE GLOBE HELPING TO KIND
AROUND THE GLOBE HELPING TO KIND OF TRY TO STIR UP SOME OF THE
OF TRY TO STIR UP SOME OF THE DIRT THAT DONALD TRUMP WANTS.
DIRT THAT DONALD TRUMP WANTS. ALL KINDS OF REASONS THAT WE
ALL KINDS OF REASONS THAT WE COULD LIST ABOUT WHY WILLIAM
COULD LIST ABOUT WHY WILLIAM BARR HIMSELF DESERVES SOME
BARR HIMSELF DESERVES SOME SCRUTINY AND SOME OVERSIGHT.
SCRUTINY AND SOME OVERSIGHT. THAT’S VERY DIFFERENT FROM
THAT’S VERY DIFFERENT FROM SAYING IN A DIFFERENT WORLD
SAYING IN A DIFFERENT WORLD WHERE DONALD TRUMP WAS NOT
WHERE DONALD TRUMP WAS NOT PRESIDENT, LEV PARNAS WOULD
PRESIDENT, LEV PARNAS WOULD BE -- WOULD HAVE SOME KIND OF
BE -- WOULD HAVE SOME KIND OF COOPERATION AGREEMENT OR WHERE
COOPERATION AGREEMENT OR WHERE WILLIAM BARR, I’M SORRY, WAS NOT
WILLIAM BARR, I’M SORRY, WAS NOT ATTORNEY GENERAL.
ATTORNEY GENERAL. AND THAT’S BECAUSE WE JUST DON’T
AND THAT’S BECAUSE WE JUST DON’T KNOW ENOUGH ABOUT ALL THE
KNOW ENOUGH ABOUT ALL THE EVIDENCE THAT THE U.S.
EVIDENCE THAT THE U.S. ATTORNEY’S OFFICE HAS.
ATTORNEY’S OFFICE HAS. >> OKAY.
>> OKAY. >> IF YOU’RE IN THE U.S.
>> IF YOU’RE IN THE U.S. ATTORNEY’S OFFICE AND SOMEONE
ATTORNEY’S OFFICE AND SOMEONE JUST DOESN’T HAVE ANYTHING TO
JUST DOESN’T HAVE ANYTHING TO OFFER YOU, IF THEY COOPERATE,
OFFER YOU, IF THEY COOPERATE, MEANING YOU DON’T BELIEVE
MEANING YOU DON’T BELIEVE THEY’RE TELLING THE TRUTH OR YOU
THEY’RE TELLING THE TRUTH OR YOU HAVE SO MUCH EVIDENCE THAT YOU
HAVE SO MUCH EVIDENCE THAT YOU DON’T BELIEVE THEY CAN ADD TO
DON’T BELIEVE THEY CAN ADD TO THE EVIDENCE THAT YOU HAVE, OR
THE EVIDENCE THAT YOU HAVE, OR BOTH, YOU WOULD HAVE A
BOTH, YOU WOULD HAVE A LEGITIMATE REASON NOT TO ENTER
LEGITIMATE REASON NOT TO ENTER INTO A COOPERATION AGREEMENT
INTO A COOPERATION AGREEMENT WITH SOMEONE.
WITH SOMEONE. AND A LEV PARNAS, WE SHOULD
AND A LEV PARNAS, WE SHOULD REMEMBER, A LEV PARNAS HAS SOME
REMEMBER, A LEV PARNAS HAS SOME OF HIS ASSERTIONS IN THE RACHEL
OF HIS ASSERTIONS IN THE RACHEL MADDOW HAVE DOCUMENTS.
MADDOW HAVE DOCUMENTS. THOSE ARE DOCUMENTS THAT THE
THOSE ARE DOCUMENTS THAT THE U.S. ATTORNEY’S OFFICE HAD.
U.S. ATTORNEY’S OFFICE HAD. AND ENABLED HIM TO SHARE.
AND ENABLED HIM TO SHARE. THERE ARE OTHER ALLEGATIONS THAT
THERE ARE OTHER ALLEGATIONS THAT HE MAKES THAT HE SAYS HE
HE MAKES THAT HE SAYS HE BELIEVES, BUT HE DOESN’T
BELIEVES, BUT HE DOESN’T NECESSARILY OFFER ANY DIRECTED,
NECESSARILY OFFER ANY DIRECTED, SPECIFIC KNOWLEDGE TO SUGGEST
SPECIFIC KNOWLEDGE TO SUGGEST THAT HE COULD OFFER ANYTHING
THAT HE COULD OFFER ANYTHING MORE SUBSTANTIVE.
MORE SUBSTANTIVE. SO I THINK WE HAVE TO SEPARATE
SO I THINK WE HAVE TO SEPARATE OUT WHETHER -- THERE’S HUGE
OUT WHETHER -- THERE’S HUGE ISSUES OF PUBLIC TRUST WITH
ISSUES OF PUBLIC TRUST WITH WILLIAM BARR, AND THERE’S A
WILLIAM BARR, AND THERE’S A QUESTION ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT, I
QUESTION ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT, I THINK, THE U.S. ATTORNEY FOR THE
THINK, THE U.S. ATTORNEY FOR THE SOUTHERN DISTRICT, BERMAN,
SOUTHERN DISTRICT, BERMAN, SHOULD RECUSE WITH REGARD TO
SHOULD RECUSE WITH REGARD TO RUDY GIULIANI BECAUSE HE IS THE
RUDY GIULIANI BECAUSE HE IS THE ONE WHO RECOMMENDED RUDY
ONE WHO RECOMMENDED RUDY GIULIANI FOR A U.S. ATTORNEY
GIULIANI FOR A U.S. ATTORNEY SPOT WITH DONALD TRUMP AND
SPOT WITH DONALD TRUMP AND APPEARANCE OF A CONFLICT OR
APPEARANCE OF A CONFLICT OR APPEARANCE OF IMPROPRIETY IS
APPEARANCE OF IMPROPRIETY IS ENOUGH TO RECUSE BECAUSE WE HAVE
ENOUGH TO RECUSE BECAUSE WE HAVE TO HAVE THE PUBLIC BELIEVING IN
TO HAVE THE PUBLIC BELIEVING IN THE INSTITUTIONS.
THE INSTITUTIONS. BUT I DON’T WANT TO GO SO FAR AS
BUT I DON’T WANT TO GO SO FAR AS TO SAY THAT JUST BY DEFINITION

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