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MSNBC 27 Feb 2020

President Trump Contradicts Health Officials on Coronavirus Response

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Ben Rhodes and Jon Meacham join Yasmin Vossoughian to discuss how President Trump is handling his role in dealing with the coronavirus compared to President Obama's handling of the ebola crisis and other presidents' handling of major public health crises. Aired on 2/27/2020.


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>>> WE’RE RAPIDLY DEVELOPING
>>> WE’RE RAPIDLY DEVELOPING VACCINE AND THEY CAN SPEAK TO
VACCINE AND THEY CAN SPEAK TO YOU, THE PROFESSIONALS CAN SPEAK
YOU, THE PROFESSIONALS CAN SPEAK TO YOU ABOUT THAT.
TO YOU ABOUT THAT. THE VACCINE IS COMING ALONG WELL
THE VACCINE IS COMING ALONG WELL AND SPEAKING TO THE DOCTORS, WE
AND SPEAKING TO THE DOCTORS, WE THINK THIS IS SOMETHING WE CAN
THINK THIS IS SOMETHING WE CAN DEVELOP FAIRLY RAPIDLY, A
DEVELOP FAIRLY RAPIDLY, A VACCINE.
VACCINE. >> ALTHOUGH THIS IS THE FASTEST
>> ALTHOUGH THIS IS THE FASTEST WE’VE GONE FROM A SEQUENCE OF A
WE’VE GONE FROM A SEQUENCE OF A VIRUS TO A TRIAL, IT STILL WOULD
VIRUS TO A TRIAL, IT STILL WOULD NOT BE ANY APPLICABLE TO THE
NOT BE ANY APPLICABLE TO THE EPIDEMIC UNLESS WE REALLY WAIT
EPIDEMIC UNLESS WE REALLY WAIT ABOUT A YEAR TO A YEAR AND A
ABOUT A YEAR TO A YEAR AND A HALF.
HALF. >> PRESIDENT TRUMP THERE
>> PRESIDENT TRUMP THERE CONTRADICTING ONE OF THE
CONTRADICTING ONE OF THE GOVERNMENT’S TOP EXPERTS ON
GOVERNMENT’S TOP EXPERTS ON DISEASES ABOUT THE LENGTH OF
DISEASES ABOUT THE LENGTH OF TIME IT’S GOING TO TAKE TO
TIME IT’S GOING TO TAKE TO DEVELOP A VACCINE FOR THE
DEVELOP A VACCINE FOR THE CORONAVIRUS, ONCE AGAIN, RAISING
CORONAVIRUS, ONCE AGAIN, RAISING QUESTIONS ABOUT THE PRESIDENT’S
QUESTIONS ABOUT THE PRESIDENT’S CREDIBILITY AS THE NATION IS
CREDIBILITY AS THE NATION IS STRIVING TO DEAL WITH THIS
STRIVING TO DEAL WITH THIS POTENTIAL PUBLIC HEALTH CRISIS.
POTENTIAL PUBLIC HEALTH CRISIS. JOINING ME NOW IS BEN RHODES AND
JOINING ME NOW IS BEN RHODES AND JON MEACHAM, PRESIDENTIAL
JON MEACHAM, PRESIDENTIAL HISTORIAN AND BIOGRAPHER.
HISTORIAN AND BIOGRAPHER. BEN, I’M GOING TO START WITH YOU
BEN, I’M GOING TO START WITH YOU ON THIS ONE, THE DOCTOR THAT I
ON THIS ONE, THE DOCTOR THAT I ACTUALLY JUST SPOKE TO, SHE HAS
ACTUALLY JUST SPOKE TO, SHE HAS PUBLISHED A PIECE IN "THE
PUBLISHED A PIECE IN "THE WASHINGTON POST" ON GOVERNMENTS
WASHINGTON POST" ON GOVERNMENTS NEED PEOPLE’S TRUST TO STOP AN
NEED PEOPLE’S TRUST TO STOP AN OUTBREAK, TRUST BEING THE MAIN
OUTBREAK, TRUST BEING THE MAIN WORD THERE.
WORD THERE. THIS IS AN ADMINISTRATION THAT
THIS IS AN ADMINISTRATION THAT HAS NOT HANDLED CRISES WELL.
HAS NOT HANDLED CRISES WELL. DURING HURRICANE DORIAN HE
DURING HURRICANE DORIAN HE SHOWED A MAP SHOWING AN
SHOWED A MAP SHOWING AN INACCURATE FORECAST AND YOU HAD
INACCURATE FORECAST AND YOU HAD PUERTO RICO WITH HIM THROWING
PUERTO RICO WITH HIM THROWING THE PAPER TOWELS AT THE CROWDS
THE PAPER TOWELS AT THE CROWDS AND THEN THERE WAS LAST NIGHT.
AND THEN THERE WAS LAST NIGHT. DOES THIS PRESIDENT AND THIS
DOES THIS PRESIDENT AND THIS ADMINISTRATION HAVE A
ADMINISTRATION HAVE A CREDIBILITY PROBLEM WHEN IT
CREDIBILITY PROBLEM WHEN IT COMES TO CRISIS LIKE WE’RE
COMES TO CRISIS LIKE WE’RE DEALING WITH NOW?
DEALING WITH NOW? >> YES, THEY HAVE A MASSIVE
>> YES, THEY HAVE A MASSIVE PROBLEM AND IT’S ABSOLUTELY THE
PROBLEM AND IT’S ABSOLUTELY THE CASE THAT TRUST MATTERS.
CASE THAT TRUST MATTERS. DURING THE EBOLA OUTBREAK, WE
DURING THE EBOLA OUTBREAK, WE HAD DAILY BRIEFINGS THAT WERE
HAD DAILY BRIEFINGS THAT WERE MEANT TO GIVE PEOPLE THE
MEANT TO GIVE PEOPLE THE INFORMATION THAT THEY NEEDED TO
INFORMATION THAT THEY NEEDED TO KNOW WHAT TO BE WORRIED ABOUT,
KNOW WHAT TO BE WORRIED ABOUT, WHATNOT TO BE WORRIED ABOUT,
WHATNOT TO BE WORRIED ABOUT, WHAT PERRECAUTIONS TO TAKE AND
WHAT PERRECAUTIONS TO TAKE AND WHAT WE’RE SEEING IS A PERFECT
WHAT WE’RE SEEING IS A PERFECT STORM OF THE TRAP THE TRUMP
STORM OF THE TRAP THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION HAS SET FOR
ADMINISTRATION HAS SET FOR THEMSELVES.
THEMSELVES. THEY’VE LIED ABOUT REALLY
THEY’VE LIED ABOUT REALLY IMPORTANT MATTERS ABOUT WHAT THE
IMPORTANT MATTERS ABOUT WHAT THE BASIS WAS FOR KILLING AN IRANIAN
BASIS WAS FOR KILLING AN IRANIAN DIRECTION, THE DIRECTION OF A
DIRECTION, THE DIRECTION OF A HURRICANE, THE CROWD SIZE OF THE
HURRICANE, THE CROWD SIZE OF THE INAUGURATION ON THE VERY FIRST
INAUGURATION ON THE VERY FIRST DAY.
DAY. THE AMERICAN PEOPLE KNOW THAT
THE AMERICAN PEOPLE KNOW THAT THEY CAN’T TRUST THE INFORMATION
THEY CAN’T TRUST THE INFORMATION THAT THIS PRESIDENT IS GIVING
THAT THIS PRESIDENT IS GIVING THEM ABOUT THIS REALLY CRITICAL
THEM ABOUT THIS REALLY CRITICAL ISSUE THAT AFFECTS THEIR DAILY
ISSUE THAT AFFECTS THEIR DAILY LIVES.
LIVES. WE KNOW THIS ADMINISTRATION HAS
WE KNOW THIS ADMINISTRATION HAS HAD A DISDAIN FOR EXPERTISE IN
HAD A DISDAIN FOR EXPERTISE IN THE GOVERNMENT WHICH IS
THE GOVERNMENT WHICH IS REFLECTED IN THE FACT THAT
REFLECTED IN THE FACT THAT THEY’VE CUT CDC FUNDING, TRIED
THEY’VE CUT CDC FUNDING, TRIED TO SLASH THOSE BUDGETS.
TO SLASH THOSE BUDGETS. WE’RE ENTERING UNCHARTERED
WE’RE ENTERING UNCHARTERED TERRITORY RIGHT NOW WHERE THE
TERRITORY RIGHT NOW WHERE THE AMERICAN PEOPLE NEED THIS
AMERICAN PEOPLE NEED THIS INFORMATION TO KNOW WHAT TO DO
INFORMATION TO KNOW WHAT TO DO IS WHAT NOT TO DO AND THEY CAN’T
IS WHAT NOT TO DO AND THEY CAN’T TRUST THE INFORMATION THEY GET.
TRUST THE INFORMATION THEY GET. >> I WANT YOU TO PUT THIS IN A
>> I WANT YOU TO PUT THIS IN A HISTORICAL CONTEXT FOR US.
HISTORICAL CONTEXT FOR US. TALK TO US ABOUT HOW OTHER
TALK TO US ABOUT HOW OTHER PRESIDENTS HAVE HANDLED NATIONAL
PRESIDENTS HAVE HANDLED NATIONAL EMERGENCIES AS BEN JUST SPOKE
EMERGENCIES AS BEN JUST SPOKE ABOUT WITH HIS FORMER BOSS,
ABOUT WITH HIS FORMER BOSS, PRESIDENT OBAMA AND OTHERS.
PRESIDENT OBAMA AND OTHERS. >> PRESIDENT OBAMA ON EBOLA IS A
>> PRESIDENT OBAMA ON EBOLA IS A GREAT CASE STUDY, GEORGE W. BUSH
GREAT CASE STUDY, GEORGE W. BUSH AND THE ATTACK OF THE HIV/AIDS
AND THE ATTACK OF THE HIV/AIDS IN AFRICA IS ONE OF THE STERLING
IN AFRICA IS ONE OF THE STERLING ELEMENTS OF THAT PRESIDENT’S
ELEMENTS OF THAT PRESIDENT’S LEGACY.
LEGACY. THEN YOU LOOK BACK TO THE 1980s
THEN YOU LOOK BACK TO THE 1980s FOR A COUNTER EXAMPLE AND THE
FOR A COUNTER EXAMPLE AND THE GOVERNMENT AND PRESIDENT REAGAN,
GOVERNMENT AND PRESIDENT REAGAN, THE CULTURE -- POLITICAL CULTURE
THE CULTURE -- POLITICAL CULTURE WAS VERY SLOW TO RECOGNIZE WHAT
WAS VERY SLOW TO RECOGNIZE WHAT NEEDED TO BE DONE, EVEN IF
NEEDED TO BE DONE, EVEN IF SOMETHING NEEDED TO BE DONE AND
SOMETHING NEEDED TO BE DONE AND ACKNOWLEDGING THAT.
ACKNOWLEDGING THAT. AND SO IT IS AS EVER A MIXED
AND SO IT IS AS EVER A MIXED RECORD.
RECORD. I THINK BEN IS RIGHT ABOUT THE
I THINK BEN IS RIGHT ABOUT THE ESSENTIAL ROLE OF FACT HERE AND
ESSENTIAL ROLE OF FACT HERE AND SOMETIMES I THINK IN THIS ERA
SOMETIMES I THINK IN THIS ERA THERE’S A BIT OF A PAINTBALL
THERE’S A BIT OF A PAINTBALL NATURE TO THE FACT.
NATURE TO THE FACT. WE ARGUE ABOUT THINGS AS IF ALL
WE ARGUE ABOUT THINGS AS IF ALL THIS WERE A POLITICAL GAME.
THIS WERE A POLITICAL GAME. THIS IS NOT A GAME.
THIS IS NOT A GAME. I ALWAYS THOUGHT --
I ALWAYS THOUGHT -- >> STAND BY FOR A SECOND.
>> STAND BY FOR A SECOND. VICE PRESIDENT MIKE PENCE IS
VICE PRESIDENT MIKE PENCE IS TALKING ABOUT THE CORONAVIRUS
TALKING ABOUT THE CORONAVIRUS RIGHT NOW.
RIGHT NOW. LET’S TAKE A LISTEN.
LET’S TAKE A LISTEN. >> ALL OF THE PATIENTS HAVE BEEN
>> ALL OF THE PATIENTS HAVE BEEN TREATED AND ARE DOING WELL.
TREATED AND ARE DOING WELL. [ APPLAUSE ]
[ APPLAUSE ] >> AND WHILE THE RISK TO THE
>> AND WHILE THE RISK TO THE AMERICAN PUBLIC REMAINS LOW, AS
AMERICAN PUBLIC REMAINS LOW, AS THE PRESIDENT SAID YESTERDAY,
THE PRESIDENT SAID YESTERDAY, WE’RE READY.
WE’RE READY. WE’RE READY FOR ANYTHING.
WE’RE READY FOR ANYTHING. YESTERDAY PRESIDENT TRUMP
YESTERDAY PRESIDENT TRUMP DIRECTED ME TO LEAD A WHOLE OF
DIRECTED ME TO LEAD A WHOLE OF GOVERNMENT APPROACH TO ADDRESS
GOVERNMENT APPROACH TO ADDRESS THE CORONAVIRUS IN THIS COUNTRY.
THE CORONAVIRUS IN THIS COUNTRY. AND I PROMISE YOU, WE WILL
AND I PROMISE YOU, WE WILL CONTINUE TO BRING THE FULL
CONTINUE TO BRING THE FULL RESOURCES OF THE FEDERAL
RESOURCES OF THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT TO BEAR TO PROTECT
GOVERNMENT TO BEAR TO PROTECT THE AMERICAN PEOPLE.
THE AMERICAN PEOPLE. [ APPLAUSE ]
[ APPLAUSE ] >> AND AS THE PRESIDENT ALSO
>> AND AS THE PRESIDENT ALSO SAID, IT’S IMPORTANT TO REMEMBER
SAID, IT’S IMPORTANT TO REMEMBER WE’RE ALL IN THIS TOGETHER.
WE’RE ALL IN THIS TOGETHER. THIS IS NOT THE TIME FOR
THIS IS NOT THE TIME FOR PARTISANSHIP
PARTISANSHIP [ APPLAUSE ]
[ APPLAUSE ] >> OBVIOUSLY, THE VICE PRESIDENT
>> OBVIOUSLY, THE VICE PRESIDENT THERE SAYING ALL THE PATIENTS
THERE SAYING ALL THE PATIENTS THAT ARE BEING TREATED ARE
THAT ARE BEING TREATED ARE ACTUALLY DOING QUITE WELL, THAT
ACTUALLY DOING QUITE WELL, THAT WE ARE READY FOR ANYTHING AND
WE ARE READY FOR ANYTHING AND EVERYTHING THAT HAPPENS AND THAT
EVERYTHING THAT HAPPENS AND THAT THEY HAVE THE FULL RESOURCES AT
THEY HAVE THE FULL RESOURCES AT THEIR HANDS TO DEAL WITH THIS
THEIR HANDS TO DEAL WITH THIS CRISIS.
CRISIS. >> GOD-WILLING THEY’RE RIGHT,
>> GOD-WILLING THEY’RE RIGHT, GOD HELP US IF THEY’RE SPINNING
GOD HELP US IF THEY’RE SPINNING THIS OR OVERSTATING IT BECAUSE
THIS OR OVERSTATING IT BECAUSE IT IS A MATTER OF LIFE AND
IT IS A MATTER OF LIFE AND DEATH.
DEATH. THIS IS AS CORE AN ISSUE AS YOU
THIS IS AS CORE AN ISSUE AS YOU CAN GET.
CAN GET. I THOUGHT A GREAT CRISIS OF
I THOUGHT A GREAT CRISIS OF TRUST WOULD BE OVER A FOREIGN
TRUST WOULD BE OVER A FOREIGN POLICY CRISIS, WOULD BE OVER THE
POLICY CRISIS, WOULD BE OVER THE PRESIDENT SAYING SOMETHING HE
PRESIDENT SAYING SOMETHING HE KNEW NOT TO BE TRUE.
KNEW NOT TO BE TRUE. THIS IS MORE ELEMENTAL TO SOME
THIS IS MORE ELEMENTAL TO SOME EXTENT.
EXTENT. AND WE HAVE TO BE WILLING TO
AND WE HAVE TO BE WILLING TO TRUST WHAT WE’RE BEING TOLD AND
TRUST WHAT WE’RE BEING TOLD AND ONE OF THE REASONS DONALD TRUMP
ONE OF THE REASONS DONALD TRUMP IS PRESIDENT IS BECAUSE IN 1965,
IS PRESIDENT IS BECAUSE IN 1965, 77% OF AMERICANS TRUSTED THE
77% OF AMERICANS TRUSTED THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT AND TODAY
FEDERAL GOVERNMENT AND TODAY IT’S LESS THAN 15%.
IT’S LESS THAN 15%. >> UNBELIEVABLE.
>> UNBELIEVABLE. BEN, DO YOU THINK THAT THIS
BEN, DO YOU THINK THAT THIS PRESIDENT IS CONSIDERING MORE
PRESIDENT IS CONSIDERING MORE THE POLITICAL LOSS AMIDST ALL OF
THE POLITICAL LOSS AMIDST ALL OF THIS VERSUS THE PERSONAL LOSS
THIS VERSUS THE PERSONAL LOSS THAT COULD HAPPEN IF THIS BLOWS
THAT COULD HAPPEN IF THIS BLOWS UP INTO A FULL PANDEMIC?
UP INTO A FULL PANDEMIC? >> YES.
>> YES. WHAT BOTHERS ME, YOU HAVE THE
WHAT BOTHERS ME, YOU HAVE THE ADMINISTRATION TAKING AWAY THE
ADMINISTRATION TAKING AWAY THE TOOLS THAT YOU USUALLY USE TO
TOOLS THAT YOU USUALLY USE TO COMMUNICATE TO THE AMERICAN
COMMUNICATE TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE FACTS.
PEOPLE FACTS. THERE’S NO MORE WHITE HOUSE
THERE’S NO MORE WHITE HOUSE DAILY PRESS BRIEFING.
DAILY PRESS BRIEFING. DURING THE EBOLA PANDEMIC,
DURING THE EBOLA PANDEMIC, THAT’S WHEN WE WOULD HAVE THESE
THAT’S WHEN WE WOULD HAVE THESE FACTS.
FACTS. THAT PODIUM IS GONE.
THAT PODIUM IS GONE. THAT TOOL IS NO LONGER USED TO
THAT TOOL IS NO LONGER USED TO COMMUNICATE TO PEOPLE.
COMMUNICATE TO PEOPLE. IF YOU LOOK AT PRESIDENT TRUMP,
IF YOU LOOK AT PRESIDENT TRUMP, HE USES TWITTER AND THE TWEETS
HE USES TWITTER AND THE TWEETS THAT HE’S HAD ABOUT THIS VIRUS
THAT HE’S HAD ABOUT THIS VIRUS HAVE NOT BORNE OUT.
HAVE NOT BORNE OUT. HE PRAISED XI JINGPING FOR A
HE PRAISED XI JINGPING FOR A STRONG RESPONSE WHEN IN FACT XI
STRONG RESPONSE WHEN IN FACT XI JINGPING’S FAILURE TO BE
JINGPING’S FAILURE TO BE TRANSPARENT ABOUT THE
TRANSPARENT ABOUT THE CORONAVIRUS MAY HAVE CONTRIBUTE
CORONAVIRUS MAY HAVE CONTRIBUTE TODAY THE WAY IN WHICH IT
TODAY THE WAY IN WHICH IT SPREAD.
SPREAD. HE SEEMED TO WANT TO CALM
HE SEEMED TO WANT TO CALM FINANCIAL MARKETS TO HELP THE
FINANCIAL MARKETS TO HELP THE ECONOMY AND AID HIS RE-ELECTION
ECONOMY AND AID HIS RE-ELECTION RATHER THAN PROVIDE FACTS.
RATHER THAN PROVIDE FACTS. MY HOPE IS AS AN AMERICAN THAT
MY HOPE IS AS AN AMERICAN THAT THEY GET OUT OF THE WAY AND LET
THEY GET OUT OF THE WAY AND LET THE EXPERTS GIVE US THESE FACTS.
THE EXPERTS GIVE US THESE FACTS. LET CDC TALK.
LET CDC TALK. THE CLIP YOU SHOWED AT THE
THE CLIP YOU SHOWED AT THE BEGINNING OF TRUMP SPINNING THIS
BEGINNING OF TRUMP SPINNING THIS ABOUT A VACCINE AND THE
ABOUT A VACCINE AND THE PROFESSIONALS PROVIDING THE
PROFESSIONALS PROVIDING THE FACTS, LET’S HEAR FROM THE
FACTS, LET’S HEAR FROM THE PROFESSIONALS HERE.
PROFESSIONALS HERE. I HATE TO SAY IT, I WISH IT
I HATE TO SAY IT, I WISH IT WASN’T TRUE, BUT THE FACT IS,
WASN’T TRUE, BUT THE FACT IS, THERE IS A CREDIBILITY GAP AND
THERE IS A CREDIBILITY GAP AND THAT CAN BE VERY DANGEROUS IN
THAT CAN BE VERY DANGEROUS IN DEALING WITH AN EPIDEMIC LIKE
DEALING WITH AN EPIDEMIC LIKE THIS.
THIS. >> PEOPLE ARE WORRIED AND THEY
>> PEOPLE ARE WORRIED AND THEY WANT THE FACTS, THEY KNOW WHAT
WANT THE FACTS, THEY KNOW WHAT TO DO AND WHAT’S REAL.

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