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MSNBC 22 May 2020

President Donald Trump's Moves To Reopen The Country Appear Increasingly Brazen

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Donald Trump continues to defy the advice of public health experts as he orders states to reopen houses of worship. Aired on 5/22/2020.


President Trump's guidelines for a multi-phased plan to reopen the country have been met with mixed reviews. Connor Boyle, a researcher in the Department of Medical Ethics and Health Policy at The University of Pennsylvania, joins CBSN's Reena Ninan for a closer look.
The White House rejected CDC guidelines on how to reopen the country. Chuck Todd says, "And today, the White House confirmed it has basically shelved CDC guidelines intended to help schools, restaurants, religious institutions and mass transit systems to safely ... reopen." Aired on 05/07/2020.
In new reporting, the Washington Post details the president's 'desperate' attempts to reopen the country as the coronavirus pandemic raged. The panel discusses. Aired on 5/4/2020.
Dr Rick Bright, who was forced out of his role leading a search for a coronavis vaccine, has spoken out against president Donald Trump.

He was one of many medical professionals who have disagreed with president Trump's eagerness for the US to leave lockdown as soon as possible.

The United States leads the world with the number of dead linked to COVID-19, at more than 85,000

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ALSO WITH US ASSOCIATED PRESS
WHITE HOUSE REPORTER JONATHAN
LEMIER AND MARK LEIFISH.
>> JONATHAN, ALL EYES ON THE
PRESIDENT’S ANNOUNCEMENT NOT
THAT HOUSES OF WORSHIP MAY OPEN
BUT THE PRESIDENT HAVING A VERY
SHARP TONE AND A VERY SHARP
MESSAGE IN HIS ANNOUNCEMENT
TODAY, REALLY BITING, SAYING
LIQUOR STORES WERE OPEN BUT
HOUSES OF WORSHIP WEREN’T
ESSENTIAL.
WILL IT HAPPEN?
>> NICOLLE, CERTAINLY A LOT OF
AMERICANS HAVE BEEN VERY ANXIOUS
FOR THEIR HOUSES OF WORSHIP, NO
MATTER WHAT THEIR FAITH, TO
REOPEN.
THE CDC AND THE WHITE HOUSE
INDICATED TO REPORTERS THAT
ANNOUNCEMENT WAS FORTHCOMING.
ORIGINALLY HOWEVER IT WAS GOING
TO BE PART OF THE PRESS
SECRETARY’S BRIEFING TODAY
SLATED FOR 2:00.
ONLY A FEW MINUTES’ NOTICE, THE
WHITE HOUSE BLASTED OUT TO
REPORTERS THE PRESIDENT WOULD BE
COMING TO THE BRIEFING ROOM TO
MAKE THAT ANNOUNCEMENT.
YOU SAW IT THERE.
HE DIDN’T TAKE ANY QUESTIONS AND
THE REASON BEHIND IT, BEHIND THE
SCENES, NICOLLE, IT’S INDEED, AS
MUCH AS IT’S ABOUT GETTING THE
CHURCHES, IT’S THE POLITICS OF
IT.
HE WANTED TO BE THE FACE OF THIS
ANNOUNCEMENT.
HE BELIEVES THIS IS POPULAR WITH
HIS BASE.
LOT OF POLICY HE PUT FORTH IN
OFFICE HAS BEEN WITH AN EYE
TOWARD THE RELIGIOUS
CONSERVATIVE.
HE BELIEVES THEY NEED THEIR
SUPPORT IN GREATER NUMBERS THIS
TIME AROUND.
THIS WASN’T GOING TO BE HE WOULD
ALLOW THE PRESS SECRETARY OR THE
MEMBERS OF TASK FORCE ANNOUNCE.
HE WANTED TO DO IT HIMSELF.
LOT OF THE DETAILS ARE STILL
WORKING OUT.
A SCRAMBLE HERE.
THE PRESIDENT SAID, CHURCHES AND
OTHER PLACES OF WORSHIP NEEDED
TO BE OPEN THIS WEEKEND, HE
WOULD IN HIS WORDS, OVERRULE OR
OVERRIDE GOVERNORS.
NOT EXACTLY SURE WHAT THAT
MEANS.
AS MUCH AS THE PRESIDENT HAS
BEEN THE CHEERLEADER FROM THE
WHITE HOUSE FOR THE ECONOMY AND
FOR THESE STATES TO REOPEN THE
MOMENT TO MOMENT, DAY BY DAY,
MECHANICAL DECISIONS, THOSE ARE
BEING MADE BY THE STATES
THEMSELVES AND THEIR GOVERNORS.
>> DR. RIMOIN, I UNDERSTAND
AGREE THAT FAITH IS ESSENTIAL,
BUT HOUSES OF WORSHIP ARE NOT
STRUCTURED YET IN A SAFE,
SOCIALLY DISTANCE WAY.
WHAT’S YOUR ADVICE TO CHURCHES
ON SYNAGOGUES WHO HEED THE
PRESIDENT’S ORDER?
>> IT’S VERY IMPORTANT FOR
EVERYONE TO THINK ABOUT SAFETY.
WE ALL AGREE THAT THERE’S SO
MUCH AT STAKE FOR PEOPLE HERE.
IT’S AN EMOTIONAL DECISION,
IT’S -- IT’S A DECISION OF
FAITH, DECISIONS THAT ARE
RELATED TO HOW PEOPLE VIEW
THEMSELVES IN THE CONTEXT OF THE
WORLD BUT WE ALSO HAVE TO KEEP
PEOPLE SAFE.
AND WHAT WE KNOW IS THAT THE
RISK OF CONTRACTING THE VIRUS IN
PLACES WHERE YOU HAVE POOR
VENTILATION, WHERE YOU HAVE
CROWDING, WHERE YOU’RE IN CLOSE
CONTACT WITH OTHER PEOPLE, WHERE
YOU CAN’T SOCIAL DISTANCE THAT
WE’RE AT RISK.
AND SO I WOULD -- MY ADVICE TO
PEOPLE WOULD BE TO THINK ABOUT
THE SCIENCE, TO THINK ABOUT
PUBLIC HEALTH AND TO BALANCE
THAT.
WEAR A MASK, TO BE IN VENTILATED
AREAS, TO MAINTAIN SOCIAL
DISTANCING.
THESE ARE THE KEYS TO KEEPING
PEOPLE SAFE AND WHETHER OR NOT
THINGS OPEN OR THEY CLOSE, IF WE
OBEY THE LAWS OF SCIENCE AND
PUBLIC HEALTH, THAT’S HOW WE
KEEP PEOPLE SAFETY.
>> DOCTOR, WHAT’S YOUR FEELING
OF THIS REPORTING, FROM THE
WASHINGTON POST AND "THE NEW
YORK TIMES."
THAT DONALD TRUMP’S PUBLIC
UTTERANCE ABOUT THE VIRUS ARE
NOW TIED DIRECTLY TO A VERY,
VERY TRANSPARENT STRATEGY OF HIS
OWN RE-ELECTION, TO PUT HIMSELF
ON THE SIDE OF BULLISH OPENINGS
IN DEFIANCE OF HIS OWN CDC AND
PUBLIC HEALTH OFFICIALS.
>> YOU KNOW, I SPENT MY LIFE
WORKING IN EPIDEMICS AND
POLITICS AND EPIDEMICS AND IN
THIS CASE A PANDEMIC, ARE, ARE
INSEPARABLE AND UNFORTUNATELY
THAT’S WHAT WE’RE SEEING ROLL
OUT HERE.
ANY PLACE THAT WE HAVE SEEN
UNCERTAINTY IN TERMS OF
MESSAGING, IN TERMS OF WHAT THE
SCIENCE TELLS US, WE SEE
POLITICS FILLING THOSE GAPS AND
THE PROBLEM IS, THAT WE’RE
DEALING WITH A KNOW VALUE VIRUS
NEW TO HUMANITY AND WE’RE SEEING
POLITICAL RHETORIC COME IN IN IN
EVERY PLACE.
WE CAN’T HAVE POLITICAL RHETORIC
BE THE BASIS OF HOW WE MAKE
PUBLIC HEALTH DECISIONS.
WE CAN’T LET POLITICS INFECT
PUBLIC HEALTH.
AND THAT’S OUR BIG PROBLEM HERE.
>> MARK, I JUST HEARD THE BEST
POLITICAL ANALYSIS FROM A
DOCTOR, I DON’T MEAN TO RAISE
THE BAR FOR YOU TO NOW JUMP
OVER, LET ME GIVE YOU SOME FOX
NEWS POLLS TO WORK WITH -- THIS
IS NEW, WE JUST FOUND OUT IN
WEEK SEVEN OF THE PANDEMIC, A
BRAND-NEW DISEASE THAT’S VERY
SCARY IN CHILDREN, WE STILL ARE
LEARNING, AN UPDATE TODAY ABOUT
SURFACES NOT PERHAPS BEING AS
DANGEROUS -- I MEAN, THERE’S A
HEADLINE EVERY DAY WHAT THIS
VIRUS IS AND ISN’T, I THINK IT
AFFECTS THE POLL NUMBERS.
THIS IS FROM FOX NEWS.
MAJOR PROBLEMS IN DEALING WITH
COVID-19.
63% THINK A LACK OF AVAILABLE
TESTING IS A PROBLEM FOR DEALING
WITH THE PANDEMIC. 61%, LACK OF A CLEAR FEDERAL
61%, LACK OF A CLEAR FEDERAL
PLAN TO DEAL WITH COVID-19.
THERE ARE STILL MORE PEOPLE
WORRIED ABOUT A LACK OF THINGS
THAT DONALD TRUMP IS SQUARELY IN
CHARGE OF, TESTING SUPPLIES AND
A FEDERAL PLAN AND REALLY A
NUMBER SMALLER THAN A TRUMP BASE
IS WORRIED ABOUT PERSONAL
FREEDOM AND THAT’S 100% TRUE.
WE TALK ABOUT THIS -- PEOPLE
TEND TO TALK ABOUT THIS AS A
MESSAGING AND POLITICAL
PHENOMENA.
BUT AS WE’RE SEEING IN SOME OF
THESE NUMBERS, PEOPLE ARE
EXPERIENCING THIS AS AN
INCERTAINTY IN THEIR DAY-TO-DAY
LIVES.
THERE’S GENUINE ANXIETY AROUND
THIS VIRUS THAT’S AFFECTING NOT
ONLY PEOPLE WHO HAVE LOST PEOPLE
OR PEOPLE WHO HAVE LOST JOBS.
THIS ISN’T A TRUMP-ERA STORY
THAT PEOPLE ARE EXPERIENCING ON
TV FOR THE MOST PART, LIKE THE
UKRAINE SCANDAL AND IMPEACHMENT
AND RUSSIA, THESE -- DONALD
TRUMP IS A TV STAR AND HE’S
SEEMINGLY SPECIALLY OVER THE
LAST FEW WEEKS HE’S KIND OF
TREATED THIS AS A MESSAGING AND
A TV STORY BUT REALLY, THE CRUX
OF THIS STORY AND THE EMOTIONAL
IMPACT OF THIS STORY IS IN THE
DAY-TO-DAY OF PEOPLE’S LIVES.
YOU CAN’T CONTROL THAT FROM A
POLITICAL STRATEGY.
>> WE COVERED THE IMPEACHMENT
INVESTIGATION HEARINGS INTO THE
PRESIDENT BECAUSE IT WAS ONLY
THE THIRD TIME IN OUR COUNTRY’S
HISTORY THAT HAS HAPPENED.
A STORY THAT MOST PEOPLE ONLY
RELATED TO TO THE DEGREE THEY
SAW IT ON TV OR READ ABOUT IT OR
LEARNED ABOUT IT.
COVID IS SOMETHING THAT PEOPLE
ARE LIVING.
I GOT INTO THE CAR, I DIDN’T
HAVE MY MASK.
I WENT BACK UPSTAIRS TO GET IT.
PEOPLE ARE LIVING IN THE FEAR OF
THE PANDEMIC BUT ALSO THE
RESPONSIBILITY OF BEING A GOOD
PERSON.
DONALD TRUMP HAS DEALT HIMSELF
OUT OF THE PANDEMIC CONVERSATION
A LITTLE BIT, HE WANTS TO BE
DEALT IN THE ECONOMY
CONVERSATION, DON’T YOU THINK
MOST PEOPLE VIEW THEM AS
COMPLETELY BRAIDED TOGETHER?
>> I THINK THEY DO.
AND IT’S UNCLEAR IF HE ACTUALLY
WANTS TO BE AT THE FOREFRONT OF
THE ECONOMY CONVERSATION RIGHT
NOW, GIVEN WHAT’S HAPPENING WITH
THE ECONOMY AND THERE ARE
WEEKLY, YOU KNOW, JOB NUMBERS
THAT ARE SCARY.
I MEAN, IF YOU SORT OF LOOK AT
IT, WHY HAS DONALD TRUMP BEEN A
MAJOR -- HE’S ALWAYS THE MAJOR
POINT OF DISCUSSION BECAUSE HE’S
THE PRESIDENT AND HE’S DONALD TRUMP THE QUESTION, DOES HE TAKE
TRUMP THE QUESTION, DOES HE TAKE
THIS ANTI-MALARIAAL DRUG, THESE
ARE TRUMP-ERA ISSUES.
THEY’RE INTERESTING BUT THESE
ARE REAL-LIFE MATTERS FOR MOST
PEOPLE.
YEAH, IT SHOWS YOU THE PLAYBOOK
THAT HE HAS RIDEN HIS CAMPAIGN

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