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Mitt Romney defends vote to convict Trump on abuse of power

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Exclusive: 'Fox News Sunday' anchor Chris Wallace interviews Republican Senator Mitt Romney about his decision to vote to convict President Trump on abuse of power article of impeachment.

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SPECIFICALLY HE IS VOTING ON THE ABUSE OF POWER ARTICLE, NOT THE
ABUSE OF POWER ARTICLE, NOT THE OBSTRUCTION ONE?
OBSTRUCTION ONE? >> Chris: THAT’S RIGHT.
>> Chris: THAT’S RIGHT. WE GOT A CALL FROM
WE GOT A CALL FROM SENATOR ROMNEY’S OFFICE
SENATOR ROMNEY’S OFFICE YESTERDAY SAYING THAT HE WANTED
YESTERDAY SAYING THAT HE WANTED TO DO ONE INTERVIEW TO DISCUSS
TO DO ONE INTERVIEW TO DISCUSS HIS DECISION AND THE BLOWBACK
HIS DECISION AND THE BLOWBACK THAT HE KNOWS WILL FLOW FROM IT.
THAT HE KNOWS WILL FLOW FROM IT. WE SAT DOWN WITH THE SENATOR
WE SAT DOWN WITH THE SENATOR ABOUT 11:30 THIS MORNING.
ABOUT 11:30 THIS MORNING. AS YOU WILL SEE FROM THE
AS YOU WILL SEE FROM THE INTERVIEW THAT WE ARE ABOUT TO
INTERVIEW THAT WE ARE ABOUT TO SHOW YOU, THE CONVERSATION
SHOW YOU, THE CONVERSATION TURNED VERY SERIOUS VERY FAST.
TURNED VERY SERIOUS VERY FAST. SENATOR ROMNEY, THANKS FOR
SENATOR ROMNEY, THANKS FOR TALKING WITH US.
TALKING WITH US. >> THANK YOU, CHRIS.
>> THANK YOU, CHRIS. GOOD TO BE WITH YOU.
GOOD TO BE WITH YOU. >> Chris: YOU DECIDED TO VOTE
>> Chris: YOU DECIDED TO VOTE TO CONVICT THE PRESIDENT BUT YOU
TO CONVICT THE PRESIDENT BUT YOU KNEW THAT IT WASN’T GOING TO
KNEW THAT IT WASN’T GOING TO PASS.
PASS. SO I GUESS THE DIRECT QUESTION
SO I GUESS THE DIRECT QUESTION IS, DO YOU BELIEVE THE
IS, DO YOU BELIEVE THE DONALD TRUMP IS UNFIT TO SERVE
DONALD TRUMP IS UNFIT TO SERVE AS PRESIDENT AND SHOULD BE
AS PRESIDENT AND SHOULD BE REMOVED FROM OFFICE?
REMOVED FROM OFFICE? >> I BELIEVE THE ACT HE TOOK, AN
>> I BELIEVE THE ACT HE TOOK, AN EFFORT TO CORRUPT AN ELECTION,
EFFORT TO CORRUPT AN ELECTION, IS AS DESTRUCTIVE AN ATTACK ON
IS AS DESTRUCTIVE AN ATTACK ON THE OATH OF OFFICE AND OUR
THE OATH OF OFFICE AND OUR CONSTITUTION AS I CAN IMAGINE.
CONSTITUTION AS I CAN IMAGINE. IT IS A HIGH CRIME AND
IT IS A HIGH CRIME AND MISDEMEANOR WITHIN THE MEANING
MISDEMEANOR WITHIN THE MEANING OF THE CONSTITUTION.
OF THE CONSTITUTION. THAT’S NOT A DECISION I TAKE
THAT’S NOT A DECISION I TAKE LIGHTLY.
LIGHTLY. IT’S THE LAST DECISION I WANT TO
IT’S THE LAST DECISION I WANT TO TAKE.
TAKE. THE PERSONAL CONSEQUENCES, THE
THE PERSONAL CONSEQUENCES, THE POLITICAL CONSEQUENCES THAT FALL
POLITICAL CONSEQUENCES THAT FALL ON ME AS A RESULT OF THAT ARE
ON ME AS A RESULT OF THAT ARE GOING TO BE EXTRAORDINARY.
GOING TO BE EXTRAORDINARY. BUT I SWORE AN OATH BEFORE GOD
BUT I SWORE AN OATH BEFORE GOD AND I AM A RELIGIOUS PERSON,
AND I AM A RELIGIOUS PERSON, THAT I WOULD IMPLY IMPARTIAL
THAT I WOULD IMPLY IMPARTIAL JUSTICE AND IMPLYING IMPARTIAL
JUSTICE AND IMPLYING IMPARTIAL JUSTICE SAID WHAT THE PRESIDENT
JUSTICE SAID WHAT THE PRESIDENT DID WAS GRIEVOUSLY WRONG.
DID WAS GRIEVOUSLY WRONG. I HAD TO VOTE, IF I WAS GOING TO
I HAD TO VOTE, IF I WAS GOING TO LIVE WITH MY OWN CONSCIENCE IN A
LIVE WITH MY OWN CONSCIENCE IN A WAY THAT WAS CONSISTENT WITH
WAY THAT WAS CONSISTENT WITH THAT OATH OF OFFICE.
THAT OATH OF OFFICE. >> Chris: AGAIN, DO YOU
>> Chris: AGAIN, DO YOU BELIEVE THAT DONALD TRUMP IS
BELIEVE THAT DONALD TRUMP IS UNFIT TO SERVE AS PRESIDENT AND
UNFIT TO SERVE AS PRESIDENT AND SHOULD BE REMOVED FROM OFFICE?
SHOULD BE REMOVED FROM OFFICE? >> I DO BELIEVE HE SHOULD BE
>> I DO BELIEVE HE SHOULD BE REMOVED FROM OFFICE.
REMOVED FROM OFFICE. THAT’S THE VOTE THAT I WILL TAKE
THAT’S THE VOTE THAT I WILL TAKE IN A WHILE.
IN A WHILE. >> Chris: I WANT TO GO TO THE
>> Chris: I WANT TO GO TO THE TWO MAIN ARGUMENTS.
TWO MAIN ARGUMENTS. DONALD TRUMP WAS ELECTED BY
DONALD TRUMP WAS ELECTED BY 63 MILLION AMERICANS.
63 MILLION AMERICANS. THERE IS ANOTHER ELECTION IN
THERE IS ANOTHER ELECTION IN LESS THAN NINE MONTHS.
LESS THAN NINE MONTHS. AS YOUR COLLEAGUE,
AS YOUR COLLEAGUE, SENATOR LAMAR ALEXANDER SAID,
SENATOR LAMAR ALEXANDER SAID, LET THE PEOPLE DECIDE.
LET THE PEOPLE DECIDE. >> THAT’S A REFRAIN THAT I THINK
>> THAT’S A REFRAIN THAT I THINK RINGS TRUE TO OUR DEMOCRATIC
RINGS TRUE TO OUR DEMOCRATIC YEARS AND OUR NATIONAL AND
YEARS AND OUR NATIONAL AND STICKS.
STICKS. BUT THE CONSTITUTION DEMANDS
BUT THE CONSTITUTION DEMANDS OTHERWISE.
OTHERWISE. THE CONSTITUTION SAYS THE SENATE
THE CONSTITUTION SAYS THE SENATE IS TO TRY IT PRESIDENT OR A
IS TO TRY IT PRESIDENT OR A JUDGE THAT IS IMPEACHED BY THE
JUDGE THAT IS IMPEACHED BY THE HOUSE.
HOUSE. IT INDICATED THAT THE REASON THE
IT INDICATED THAT THE REASON THE SENATE IS TO DO THIS IS BECAUSE
SENATE IS TO DO THIS IS BECAUSE THE PEOPLE AT LARGE WOULD HAVE
THE PEOPLE AT LARGE WOULD HAVE PARTISAN INSTINCTS AND THE SIZE
PARTISAN INSTINCTS AND THE SIZE OF THOSE INSTINCTS ON THE SIZE
OF THOSE INSTINCTS ON THE SIZE OF THOSE PARTIES WOULD DETERMINE
OF THOSE PARTIES WOULD DETERMINE GUILT OR INNOCENCE OF THE
GUILT OR INNOCENCE OF THE CHARGE, NOT TO PEOPLE WHO WERE
CHARGE, NOT TO PEOPLE WHO WERE IMPARTIAL.
IMPARTIAL. WE SWEAR AN OATH OF IMPARTIAL
WE SWEAR AN OATH OF IMPARTIAL JUSTICE.
JUSTICE. IT WAS NOT A RESPONSIBILITY.
IT WAS NOT A RESPONSIBILITY. THAT I WAS WILLING TO SIMPLY
THAT I WAS WILLING TO SIMPLY BRUSH OFF AND SAY I DIDN’T WANT
BRUSH OFF AND SAY I DIDN’T WANT TO TAKE IT.
TO TAKE IT. >> Chris: THE DEFENSE ALSO
>> Chris: THE DEFENSE ALSO SAID THAT TO BE AN IMPEACHABLE
SAID THAT TO BE AN IMPEACHABLE CRIME, TO REMOVE THE PRESIDENT,
CRIME, TO REMOVE THE PRESIDENT, IT MUST BE AN ACTUAL CRIME OR AT
IT MUST BE AN ACTUAL CRIME OR AT LEAST CRIMINAL-LIKE ACTIVITY.
LEAST CRIMINAL-LIKE ACTIVITY. >> THE IDEA THAT IT HAD TO BE A
>> THE IDEA THAT IT HAD TO BE A STATUTORY CRIME I THINK IS
STATUTORY CRIME I THINK IS WRONG, SOMETHING BY LOOKING AT
WRONG, SOMETHING BY LOOKING AT THE MEANING OF THOSE WORDS IN
THE MEANING OF THOSE WORDS IN THE CONSTITUTION AT THE TIME
THE CONSTITUTION AT THE TIME THEY WERE WRITTEN AS WELL AS THE
THEY WERE WRITTEN AS WELL AS THE WRITINGS OF ALEXANDER HAMILTON
WRITINGS OF ALEXANDER HAMILTON AND COMMON SENSE.
AND COMMON SENSE. THERE’S NO LEGISLATURE IN THE
THERE’S NO LEGISLATURE IN THE WORLD I COULD THINK OF ALL THE
WORLD I COULD THINK OF ALL THE CONCEIVABLE ABUSES A PRESIDENT
CONCEIVABLE ABUSES A PRESIDENT MIKE CONCEIVABLY MAKE ENTERING
MIKE CONCEIVABLY MAKE ENTERING THEM ALL INTO STATUTES AND SAY
THEM ALL INTO STATUTES AND SAY IT’S ILLEGAL TO DO THE FOLLOWING
IT’S ILLEGAL TO DO THE FOLLOWING THINGS.
THINGS. THIS IS A CIRCUMSTANCE WHERE
THIS IS A CIRCUMSTANCE WHERE IT’S HARD FOR ME TO IMAGINE A
IT’S HARD FOR ME TO IMAGINE A MORE SERIOUS ATTACK ON THE
MORE SERIOUS ATTACK ON THE CONSTITUTION AND ON A REPUBLIC
CONSTITUTION AND ON A REPUBLIC LIKE OURS AND SAYING THAT A
LIKE OURS AND SAYING THAT A PRESIDENT WOULD BE ABLE TO
PRESIDENT WOULD BE ABLE TO ENLIST A FOREIGN GOVERNMENT TO
ENLIST A FOREIGN GOVERNMENT TO CORRUPT OUR ELECTIONS SO THAT
CORRUPT OUR ELECTIONS SO THAT OUR PRESIDENT COULD KEEP IN
OUR PRESIDENT COULD KEEP IN POWER, THAT’S WHAT HAPPENS IN
POWER, THAT’S WHAT HAPPENS IN TEN HORNED AUTOCRACIES.
TEN HORNED AUTOCRACIES. IT DOESN’T HAPPEN IN THE
IT DOESN’T HAPPEN IN THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA
I FELT WITHOUT QUESTION THAT I
I FELT WITHOUT QUESTION THAT I HAD A RESPONSIBILITY IF I WAS
HAD A RESPONSIBILITY IF I WAS GOING TO HONOR THE OATH I MADE
GOING TO HONOR THE OATH I MADE BEFORE GOD TO VOTE WHAT I
BEFORE GOD TO VOTE WHAT I BELIEVE IS RIGHT AND BY THE WAY,
BELIEVE IS RIGHT AND BY THE WAY, I TRUST MY COLLEAGUES IN THE
I TRUST MY COLLEAGUES IN THE SENATE DID THE SAME THING, THAT
SENATE DID THE SAME THING, THAT THEY FOLLOW THEIR CONSCIENCE AS
THEY FOLLOW THEIR CONSCIENCE AS THEY UNDERSTOOD IT.
THEY UNDERSTOOD IT. I DON’T ARGUE WITH THEM.
I DON’T ARGUE WITH THEM. I REACHED MY OWN DECISION
I REACHED MY OWN DECISION WITHOUT DELIBERATION WITH THEM
WITHOUT DELIBERATION WITH THEM BUT I’M CONVINCED THIS IS
BUT I’M CONVINCED THIS IS EXACTLY RIGHT, AT LEAST IN MY
EXACTLY RIGHT, AT LEAST IN MY HEART.
HEART. >> Chris: WHY VOTE TO ACQUIT
>> Chris: WHY VOTE TO ACQUIT ON THE SECOND ARTICLE, THE
ON THE SECOND ARTICLE, THE OBSTRUCTION OF CONGRESS.
OBSTRUCTION OF CONGRESS. CONGRESS SHOULD HAVE PURSUED ALL
CONGRESS SHOULD HAVE PURSUED ALL LEGAL AVENUES TO RECEIVE THE
LEGAL AVENUES TO RECEIVE THE DOCUMENTS ON THE TESTIMONY THAT
DOCUMENTS ON THE TESTIMONY THAT THEY WANTED AND THEY DIDN’T
THEY WANTED AND THEY DIDN’T PURSUE THAT.
PURSUE THAT. THE PRESIDENT TOOK A LEGAL
THE PRESIDENT TOOK A LEGAL RECOURSE AND I DON’T BELIEVE
RECOURSE AND I DON’T BELIEVE THAT BY VIRTUE OF TAKING A LEGAL
THAT BY VIRTUE OF TAKING A LEGAL RECOURSE THAT THAT’S AN
RECOURSE THAT THAT’S AN IMPEACHABLE OFFENSE.
IMPEACHABLE OFFENSE. LET ME NOTE, I WANTED TO HEAR
LET ME NOTE, I WANTED TO HEAR MORE WITNESSES.
MORE WITNESSES. I WANTED TO HEAR JOHN BOLTON AND
I WANTED TO HEAR JOHN BOLTON AND MICK MULVANEY BECAUSE I HOPED
MICK MULVANEY BECAUSE I HOPED THAT THEY WOULD SAY SOME OF
THAT THEY WOULD SAY SOME OF WOULD RAISE A REASONABLE DOUBT
WOULD RAISE A REASONABLE DOUBT THAT WOULD MAKE IT SO I WOULDN’T
THAT WOULD MAKE IT SO I WOULDN’T HAVE TO VOTE TO CONVICT.
HAVE TO VOTE TO CONVICT. IT WAS EXTRAORDINARILY IMPORTANT
IT WAS EXTRAORDINARILY IMPORTANT TO ME.
TO ME. I HOPED BEYOND HOPE AS YOU MIGHT
I HOPED BEYOND HOPE AS YOU MIGHT IMAGINE THAT THERE WOULD BE
IMAGINE THAT THERE WOULD BE EVIDENCE BROUGHT FORWARD BY THE
EVIDENCE BROUGHT FORWARD BY THE WHITE HOUSE THAT WOULD SAY HE
WHITE HOUSE THAT WOULD SAY HE DID NOT DO THE THINGS THAT WERE
DID NOT DO THE THINGS THAT WERE ALLEGED.
ALLEGED. UNFORTUNATELY THAT NEVER CAME
UNFORTUNATELY THAT NEVER CAME FORWARD.
FORWARD. >> Chris: YOU TALK ABOUT THE
>> Chris: YOU TALK ABOUT THE CONSEQUENCES.
CONSEQUENCES. YOU REALIZE THIS IS WAR.
YOU REALIZE THIS IS WAR. DONALD TRUMP WILL NEVER FORGIVE
DONALD TRUMP WILL NEVER FORGIVE YOU FOR THIS.
YOU FOR THIS. >> THERE IS A HYMN, DO WHAT IS
>> THERE IS A HYMN, DO WHAT IS RIGHT AND THAT THE CONSEQUENCE
RIGHT AND THAT THE CONSEQUENCE FOLLOW.
FOLLOW. I KNOW IN MY HEART THAT I’M
I KNOW IN MY HEART THAT I’M DOING WHAT’S RIGHT.
DOING WHAT’S RIGHT. I UNDERSTAND THERE’S GOING TO BE
I UNDERSTAND THERE’S GOING TO BE ENORMOUS CONSEQUENCE.
ENORMOUS CONSEQUENCE. I DON’T HAVE A CHOICE IN THAT
I DON’T HAVE A CHOICE IN THAT REGARD.
REGARD. THAT’S WHY I HAVEN’T BEEN
THAT’S WHY I HAVEN’T BEEN ANXIOUS TO BE IN THE POSITION
ANXIOUS TO BE IN THE POSITION I’M IN.
I’M IN. WHEN I HEARD THERE WAS GOING TO
WHEN I HEARD THERE WAS GOING TO BE AN IMPEACHMENT INVESTIGATION,
BE AN IMPEACHMENT INVESTIGATION, AS I HEARD THE EVIDENCE COMING
AS I HEARD THE EVIDENCE COMING FORWARD, I DREADED THE
FORWARD, I DREADED THE RESPONSIBILITY I HAVE.
RESPONSIBILITY I HAVE. BUT I WAS NOT WILLING TO
BUT I WAS NOT WILLING TO ABDICATE THE RESPONSIBILITY
ABDICATE THE RESPONSIBILITY GIVEN TO ME BY THE CONSTITUTION,
GIVEN TO ME BY THE CONSTITUTION, NOR TO IGNORE MY CONSCIENCE OUT
NOR TO IGNORE MY CONSCIENCE OUT OF PERSONAL AND POLITICAL
OF PERSONAL AND POLITICAL SIGNIFICANCE.
SIGNIFICANCE. CONSIDERATIONS.
CONSIDERATIONS. I HAD TO FOLLOW MY CONSCIENCE.
I HAD TO FOLLOW MY CONSCIENCE. >> Chris: WHEN YOU SAID IN
>> Chris: WHEN YOU SAID IN APRIL THAT YOU WERE SICKENED,
APRIL THAT YOU WERE SICKENED, YOUR WORDS, BY THE MUELLER
YOUR WORDS, BY THE MUELLER REPORT AND WHAT IT FOUND ABOUT
REPORT AND WHAT IT FOUND ABOUT WHAT THE PRESIDENT HAD DONE, THE
WHAT THE PRESIDENT HAD DONE, THE PRESIDENT TWEETED "IF
PRESIDENT TWEETED "IF MITT ROMNEY SPENT THE SAME
MITT ROMNEY SPENT THE SAME ENERGY FIGHTING BARACK OBAMA
ENERGY FIGHTING BARACK OBAMA BACK IN 2012 AS HE DOES FIGHTING
BACK IN 2012 AS HE DOES FIGHTING DONALD TRUMP, HE COULD HAVE WON
DONALD TRUMP, HE COULD HAVE WON THE RACE MAY BE."
THE RACE MAY BE." YOU’VE GOT TO KNOW THAT’S
YOU’VE GOT TO KNOW THAT’S NOTHING COMPARED TO WHAT HE’S
NOTHING COMPARED TO WHAT HE’S GOING TO SAY ABOUT YOU NOW.
GOING TO SAY ABOUT YOU NOW. >> YEAH.
>> YEAH. AGAIN, I CAN’T LET PERSONAL
AGAIN, I CAN’T LET PERSONAL CONSIDERATIONS, IF YOU WILL,
CONSIDERATIONS, IF YOU WILL, OVERWHELM MY CONSCIENCE AND
OVERWHELM MY CONSCIENCE AND OVERWHELM MY OATH TO GOD.
OVERWHELM MY OATH TO GOD. THIS FOR ME, IF YOU WELCOME OF
THIS FOR ME, IF YOU WELCOME OF THE MOST DIFFICULT DECISION I’VE
THE MOST DIFFICULT DECISION I’VE EVER MADE IN MY LIFE.
EVER MADE IN MY LIFE. THERE’S BEEN NOTHING THAT
THERE’S BEEN NOTHING THAT COMPARES TO THIS.
COMPARES TO THIS. >> Chris: WHAT ABOUT THE
>> Chris: WHAT ABOUT THE BLOWBACK FROM THE PRESIDENT?
BLOWBACK FROM THE PRESIDENT? >> I UNDERSTAND IT WILL BE
>> I UNDERSTAND IT WILL BE SUBSTANTIAL AND I HAVE TO
SUBSTANTIAL AND I HAVE TO RECOGNIZE THAT IT WAS ONE OR THE
RECOGNIZE THAT IT WAS ONE OR THE OTHER.
OTHER. ONE IS TO SAY I DON’T WANT TO
ONE IS TO SAY I DON’T WANT TO FACE THE BLOWBACK, NOT JUST FROM
FACE THE BLOWBACK, NOT JUST FROM THE PRESIDENT BUT FOR MY PARTY,
THE PRESIDENT BUT FOR MY PARTY, MY STATE, FROM REPUBLICAN
MY STATE, FROM REPUBLICAN VOTERS.
VOTERS. THEY WILL ASCRIBE ALL SORTS OF
THEY WILL ASCRIBE ALL SORTS OF MOTIVES AND SO FORTH.
MOTIVES AND SO FORTH. AND THOSE ARE ALL THE
AND THOSE ARE ALL THE CONSEQUENCES.
CONSEQUENCES. ON THE OTHER SIDE, THERE IS, DO
ON THE OTHER SIDE, THERE IS, DO YOU DO WHAT YOU KNOW IS RIGHT?
YOU DO WHAT YOU KNOW IS RIGHT? DO YOU DO WHAT YOUR CONSCIENCE
DO YOU DO WHAT YOUR CONSCIENCE IN YOUR HEART TELLS YOU?
IN YOUR HEART TELLS YOU? DO YOU ABIDE BY THE OATH THAT
DO YOU ABIDE BY THE OATH THAT YOU SWORE TO GOD?
YOU SWORE TO GOD? I BELIEVE IN GOD AND I BELIEVE I
I BELIEVE IN GOD AND I BELIEVE I HAVE A RESPONSIBILITY TO PUT
HAVE A RESPONSIBILITY TO PUT THAT FIRST WENT TO PUT ALL THE
THAT FIRST WENT TO PUT ALL THE OTHER CONSEQUENCES BEHIND.
OTHER CONSEQUENCES BEHIND. >> Chris: WE HAVE TOUCHED ON
>> Chris: WE HAVE TOUCHED ON THIS BUT LET’S TALK ABOUT YOUR
THIS BUT LET’S TALK ABOUT YOUR EFFECTIVENESS IN WASHINGTON.
EFFECTIVENESS IN WASHINGTON. WHEN YOU VOTED, IT SEEMED LIKE A
WHEN YOU VOTED, IT SEEMED LIKE A BIG DEAL THEN AND IT DOESN’T
BIG DEAL THEN AND IT DOESN’T NOW, JUST TO HEAR WITNESSES, YOU
NOW, JUST TO HEAR WITNESSES, YOU WERE DISINVITED FROM THE
WERE DISINVITED FROM THE CONFERENCE, THE NEW SENATOR FROM
CONFERENCE, THE NEW SENATOR FROM GEORGIA, KELLY LEFFLER, WAS A
GEORGIA, KELLY LEFFLER, WAS A BIG ROMNEY DONOR, SAID YOU WERE
BIG ROMNEY DONOR, SAID YOU WERE TRYING TO APPEASE THE LEFT.
TRYING TO APPEASE THE LEFT. NOW YOU’RE GOING TO BE THE ONLY
NOW YOU’RE GOING TO BE THE ONLY REPUBLICAN SENATOR VOTING TO
REPUBLICAN SENATOR VOTING TO CONVICT THE PRESIDENT.
CONVICT THE PRESIDENT. IT’S GOING TO GET PRETTY LONELY
IT’S GOING TO GET PRETTY LONELY IN THIS TOWN FOR YOU.
IN THIS TOWN FOR YOU. >> YEAH IT’S GOING TO GET VERY
>> YEAH IT’S GOING TO GET VERY LONELY.
LONELY. THE CONSEQUENCES ARE SIGNIFICANT
THE CONSEQUENCES ARE SIGNIFICANT SIGNIFICANT.
SIGNIFICANT. THEY ARE ENOUGH THAT IT MADE IT
THEY ARE ENOUGH THAT IT MADE IT VERY DIFFICULT PROCESS FOR ME.
VERY DIFFICULT PROCESS FOR ME. THERE’S NOT BEEN A MORNING SINCE
THERE’S NOT BEEN A MORNING SINCE THIS PROCESS BEGAN THAT I SLEPT
THIS PROCESS BEGAN THAT I SLEPT BEYOND 4:00.
BEYOND 4:00. I HAVE STUDIED.
I HAVE STUDIED. I HAVE LOOKED AT THE TESTIMONY
I HAVE LOOKED AT THE TESTIMONY IN DETAIL, I’VE ATTEMPTED TO GET
IN DETAIL, I’VE ATTEMPTED TO GET EVERY PIECE OF INFORMATION I
EVERY PIECE OF INFORMATION I COULD.
COULD. I EVEN CONTACTED THE WHITE HOUSE
I EVEN CONTACTED THE WHITE HOUSE THROUGH ANOTHER PERSON BEFORE
THROUGH ANOTHER PERSON BEFORE THE TRIAL BEGAN THAT SAID PLEASE
THE TRIAL BEGAN THAT SAID PLEASE PROVIDE AFFIDAVITS.
PROVIDE AFFIDAVITS. PLEASE LET MICK MULVANEY AND
PLEASE LET MICK MULVANEY AND JOHN BOLTON AND OTHERS PROVIDE
JOHN BOLTON AND OTHERS PROVIDE AFFIDAVIT SO YOU CAN RAISE
AFFIDAVIT SO YOU CAN RAISE REASONABLE DOUBT, SO THAT YOU
REASONABLE DOUBT, SO THAT YOU CAN PREVENT SOMEONE FROM HAVING
CAN PREVENT SOMEONE FROM HAVING TO VOTE IN A WAY THAT WILL BE
TO VOTE IN A WAY THAT WILL BE AWFUL FOR THEM AND AWFUL FOR THE
AWFUL FOR THEM AND AWFUL FOR THE PRESIDENT.
PRESIDENT. THEY DIDN’T DO THAT.
THEY DIDN’T DO THAT. THEY COULD HAVE PROVIDED THOSE
THEY COULD HAVE PROVIDED THOSE THINGS.
THINGS. THAT WAS NOT PROVIDED.
THAT WAS NOT PROVIDED. >> Chris: YOU HAVE TALKED
>> Chris: YOU HAVE TALKED ABOUT THE OATH.
ABOUT THE OATH. I KNOW YOU ARE A MAN OF DEEP
I KNOW YOU ARE A MAN OF DEEP FAITH IN YOU RAISED YOUR RIGHT
FAITH IN YOU RAISED YOUR RIGHT HAND ALONG WITH 99 OTHER
HAND ALONG WITH 99 OTHER SENATORS AND SWORE TO DO
SENATORS AND SWORE TO DO IMPARTIAL JUSTICE.
IMPARTIAL JUSTICE. HOW LITERALLY DID YOU TAKE THAT?
HOW LITERALLY DID YOU TAKE THAT? >> I TAKE IT VERY LITERALLY.
>> I TAKE IT VERY LITERALLY. I TAKE IT AS LITERALLY AS WE
I TAKE IT AS LITERALLY AS WE EXPECT FROM EVERY JUROR THAT
EXPECT FROM EVERY JUROR THAT SITS IN A CRIMINAL TRIAL.
SITS IN A CRIMINAL TRIAL. JURORS AND THOSE CRIMINAL
JURORS AND THOSE CRIMINAL TRIALS, WE DON’T EXPECT THEM TO
TRIALS, WE DON’T EXPECT THEM TO SAY WELL, THE DEFENDANT’S OF MY
SAY WELL, THE DEFENDANT’S OF MY RACE OR MY RELIGION OR MY
RACE OR MY RELIGION OR MY NATIONAL ORIGIN AND THEREFORE
NATIONAL ORIGIN AND THEREFORE I’M GOING TO VOTE WITH THEM.
I’M GOING TO VOTE WITH THEM. GOING TO VOTE WITH THE TEAM, IF
GOING TO VOTE WITH THE TEAM, IF YOU WILL COME I’M GOING TO VOTE
YOU WILL COME I’M GOING TO VOTE WITH MY GROUP.
WITH MY GROUP. WE DON’T EXPECT THAT.
WE DON’T EXPECT THAT. WE EXPECT THEY WILL HONOR THEIR
WE EXPECT THEY WILL HONOR THEIR OATH TO GOD THAT THEY WILL APPLY
OATH TO GOD THAT THEY WILL APPLY JUSTICE.
JUSTICE. I CAN EXPECT NOTHING MORE OF
I CAN EXPECT NOTHING MORE OF MYSELF THAN I EXPECTED THEM.
MYSELF THAN I EXPECTED THEM. >> Chris: YOU SAY THIS IS THE
>> Chris: YOU SAY THIS IS THE TOUGHEST DECISION YOU’VE EVER
TOUGHEST DECISION YOU’VE EVER HAD TO MAKE IN YOUR PUBLIC LIFE.
HAD TO MAKE IN YOUR PUBLIC LIFE. GIVE US A SENSE, AND YOU HAVE,
GIVE US A SENSE, AND YOU HAVE, TALKING ABOUT GETTING UP AT FOUR
TALKING ABOUT GETTING UP AT FOUR IN THE MORNING, HOW TOUGH A
IN THE MORNING, HOW TOUGH A DECISION THIS IS.
DECISION THIS IS. THE INNER TURMOIL YOU HAVE FELT,
THE INNER TURMOIL YOU HAVE FELT, THE STRESS, FRANKLY THE NERVES
THE STRESS, FRANKLY THE NERVES AND ARRIVING WHERE YOU HAVE
AND ARRIVING WHERE YOU HAVE TODAY.
TODAY. >> AS YOU CAN IMAGINE, I’VE
>> AS YOU CAN IMAGINE, I’VE SPOKEN A GOOD DEAL WITH MY
SPOKEN A GOOD DEAL WITH MY FAMILY BECAUSE THIS WILL HAVE
FAMILY BECAUSE THIS WILL HAVE CONSEQUENCE, THE BLOWBACK WILL
CONSEQUENCE, THE BLOWBACK WILL HAVE CONSEQUENCES NOT JUST FOR
HAVE CONSEQUENCES NOT JUST FOR ME BUT FOR MY FAMILY.
ME BUT FOR MY FAMILY. MY WIFE, MY SONS, MY
MY WIFE, MY SONS, MY DAUGHTERS-IN-LAW AND MY 24
DAUGHTERS-IN-LAW AND MY 24 GRANDKIDS.
GRANDKIDS. I HAVEN’T SPOKE WITH THE
I HAVEN’T SPOKE WITH THE GRANDKIDS BUT I’VE SPOKE WITH MY
GRANDKIDS BUT I’VE SPOKE WITH MY SONS AND DAUGHTERS IN LAW AND
SONS AND DAUGHTERS IN LAW AND WIFE EXTENSIVELY.
WIFE EXTENSIVELY. WE RECOGNIZE THE EXTENT OF THE
WE RECOGNIZE THE EXTENT OF THE CONSEQUENCE.
CONSEQUENCE. THAT’S WHY THE BURDEN HAS BEEN
THAT’S WHY THE BURDEN HAS BEEN SO SUBSTANTIAL.
SO SUBSTANTIAL. THEY ALL SAID YOU’VE GOT TO DO
THEY ALL SAID YOU’VE GOT TO DO WHAT YOU BELIEVE IS RIGHT.
WHAT YOU BELIEVE IS RIGHT. THERE WAS NO CALL TO PULL BACK
THERE WAS NO CALL TO PULL BACK OR GEE, THIS IS GOING TO BE
OR GEE, THIS IS GOING TO BE TOUGH.
TOUGH. THEY SAID DO WHAT YOU BELIEVE IS
THEY SAID DO WHAT YOU BELIEVE IS RIGHT.
RIGHT. DURING THIS PROCESS, I SPENT A
DURING THIS PROCESS, I SPENT A LOT OF TIME MAKING SURE IT WAS
LOT OF TIME MAKING SURE IT WAS ABSOLUTELY RIGHT ON THE EVIDENCE
ABSOLUTELY RIGHT ON THE EVIDENCE ON WHAT WE HEARD THAT THE
ON WHAT WE HEARD THAT THE PRESIDENT DID WHAT WAS ALLEGED.
PRESIDENT DID WHAT WAS ALLEGED. MOST OF THE PEOPLE EVEN AMONG MY
MOST OF THE PEOPLE EVEN AMONG MY COLLEAGUES SAID YEAH, HE DID
COLLEAGUES SAID YEAH, HE DID SOMETHING THAT WAS WRONG.
SOMETHING THAT WAS WRONG. I ALSO LOOKED TO SEE WHETHER THE
I ALSO LOOKED TO SEE WHETHER THE OTHER DEFENSES, LEAVE IT TO THE
OTHER DEFENSES, LEAVE IT TO THE VOTERS OR IT WAS ALL ABOUT THE
VOTERS OR IT WAS ALL ABOUT THE BIDENS ARE THOSE THINGS, IT’S
BIDENS ARE THOSE THINGS, IT’S LIKE WERE THOSE EXCULPATORY?
LIKE WERE THOSE EXCULPATORY? UNFORTUNATELY IN THE WORK THAT I
UNFORTUNATELY IN THE WORK THAT I DID COMING CONCLUDED THEY WERE
DID COMING CONCLUDED THEY WERE NOT.
NOT. >> Chris: FINALLY, IF THIS
>> Chris: FINALLY, IF THIS MEANS THE END OF YOUR POLITICAL
MEANS THE END OF YOUR POLITICAL CAREER.
CAREER. >> WELL, FRIEND OF MINE ONCE
>> WELL, FRIEND OF MINE ONCE SAID THAT THE WORST THING THAT
SAID THAT THE WORST THING THAT EVER HAPPENED TO THEM
EVER HAPPENED TO THEM POLITICALLY HAD ALREADY
POLITICALLY HAD ALREADY HAPPENED.
HAPPENED. THE WORST THING THAT ALREADY
THE WORST THING THAT ALREADY HAPPENED ME POLITICALLY WAS
HAPPENED ME POLITICALLY WAS LOSING THE PRESIDENCY IN 2012.
LOSING THE PRESIDENCY IN 2012. I HAVE BROUGHT ENOUGH SHOULDERS
I HAVE BROUGHT ENOUGH SHOULDERS TO BE ABLE TO WEATHER PERSONAL
TO BE ABLE TO WEATHER PERSONAL CHANGES IN MY CAREER, POLITICAL
CHANGES IN MY CAREER, POLITICAL OR OTHERWISE.
OR OTHERWISE. WHAT I DON’T HAVE IS THE
WHAT I DON’T HAVE IS THE CAPACITY TO IGNORE MY
CAPACITY TO IGNORE MY CONSCIENCE.
CONSCIENCE. I DON’T HAVE THE CAPACITY TO SAY
I DON’T HAVE THE CAPACITY TO SAY THAT WHAT WAS WRONG WAS NOT
THAT WHAT WAS WRONG WAS NOT WRONG.
WRONG. WHAT THE PRESIDENT DID WAS
WHAT THE PRESIDENT DID WAS GRIEVOUSLY WRONG.
GRIEVOUSLY WRONG. BY THE WAY, I SAY THAT AT A TIME
BY THE WAY, I SAY THAT AT A TIME WHEN I APPLAUD WHAT’S HAPPENING
WHEN I APPLAUD WHAT’S HAPPENING WITH THE ECONOMY.
WITH THE ECONOMY. I AGREE WITH HIM 80% OF THE
I AGREE WITH HIM 80% OF THE TIME.
TIME. I DON’T DISLIKE THE PRESIDENT.
I DON’T DISLIKE THE PRESIDENT. WE GET ALONG FINE.
WE GET ALONG FINE. I’VE KNOWN HIM FOR YEARS AND
I’VE KNOWN HIM FOR YEARS AND YEARS, WELL BEFORE EITHER ONE OF
YEARS, WELL BEFORE EITHER ONE OF US WAS IN POLITICS.
US WAS IN POLITICS. BUT I BELIEVE HE MADE A VERY
BUT I BELIEVE HE MADE A VERY SERIOUS MISCALCULATION OF
SERIOUS MISCALCULATION OF JUDGMENT.
JUDGMENT. ONE THAT STRIKES AT THE VERY
ONE THAT STRIKES AT THE VERY CORE OF OUR CONSTITUTION.
CORE OF OUR CONSTITUTION. IN A SETTING LIKE THAT, NOT TO
IN A SETTING LIKE THAT, NOT TO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT WOULD PLACE A
ACKNOWLEDGE THAT WOULD PLACE A GREATER BURDEN ON MY CONSCIENCE
GREATER BURDEN ON MY CONSCIENCE THAN ON HIS.
THAN ON HIS. >> Chris: SENATOR ROMNEY,
>> Chris: SENATOR ROMNEY, THINK YOU.
THINK YOU. >> THANKS, CHRIS.
>> THANKS, CHRIS. GOOD TO BE WITH YOU.
GOOD TO BE WITH YOU. >> Chris: MITT ROMNEY SAYS HE
>> Chris: MITT ROMNEY SAYS HE UNDERSTANDS THAT SOME PEOPLE
UNDERSTANDS THAT SOME PEOPLE WILL APPLAUD HIS DECISION TO
WILL APPLAUD HIS DECISION TO CONVICT THE PRESIDENT AND SOME
CONVICT THE PRESIDENT AND SOME PEOPLE WILL CONDEMN HIM.
PEOPLE WILL CONDEMN HIM. HE SAID THAT HE WRESTLED WITH
HE SAID THAT HE WRESTLED WITH HIS CONSCIENCE AND HIS FAITH AND
HIS CONSCIENCE AND HIS FAITH AND THIS WAS THE ONLY DECISION HE
THIS WAS THE ONLY DECISION HE CAN MAKE AND HE’S AT PEACE WITH
CAN MAKE AND HE’S AT PEACE WITH IT.
IT. AS HE SAID IN THE INTERVIEW, HE
AS HE SAID IN THE INTERVIEW, HE UNDERSTANDS WASHINGTON IS NOW
UNDERSTANDS WASHINGTON IS NOW GOING TO BE A LONELY PLACE FOR
GOING TO BE A LONELY PLACE FOR HIM.
HIM. >> Dana: SO INTERESTING, THE
>> Dana: SO INTERESTING, THE WHOLE THING IS INTERESTING.
WHOLE THING IS INTERESTING. HE SAYS IT’S GRIEVOUSLY WRONG.
HE SAYS IT’S GRIEVOUSLY WRONG. THE TONE AND THE DEMEANOR WAS
THE TONE AND THE DEMEANOR WAS QUITE SOMBER.
QUITE SOMBER. WE’RE GOING TO TRY TO TURN IT
WE’RE GOING TO TRY TO TURN IT AROUND FOR A LITTLE BIT LATER
AROUND FOR A LITTLE BIT LATER BUT WHEN WE WENT TO GIVE HIS
BUT WHEN WE WENT TO GIVE HIS FLOOR SPEECH, THERE WAS A
FLOOR SPEECH, THERE WAS A SILENCE THERE, I THOUGHT WE
SILENCE THERE, I THOUGHT WE DROPPED THE AUDIO.
DROPPED THE AUDIO. HE SEEMS LIKE HE WAS GETTING
HE SEEMS LIKE HE WAS GETTING CHOKED UP, KNOWING THAT HE WAS
CHOKED UP, KNOWING THAT HE WAS ABOUT TO ANNOUNCE WHAT HE SAYS.
ABOUT TO ANNOUNCE WHAT HE SAYS. HE SAID IT WAS THE TOUGHEST
HE SAID IT WAS THE TOUGHEST DECISION OF HIS LIFE.
DECISION OF HIS LIFE. >> Chris: YES, HE DID.
>> Chris: YES, HE DID. IT WAS INTERESTING.
IT WAS INTERESTING. HE CAME IN AND WE WERE TALKING
HE CAME IN AND WE WERE TALKING ABOUT, I HAVE KNOWN THE ROMNEYS
ABOUT, I HAVE KNOWN THE ROMNEYS FOR A LONG TIME.
FOR A LONG TIME. WE WERE TALKING ABOUT HIS WIFE
WE WERE TALKING ABOUT HIS WIFE AND KIDS AND GRANDKIDS.
AND KIDS AND GRANDKIDS. WE BEGAN THE CONVERSATION, AS I
WE BEGAN THE CONVERSATION, AS I SAT AT THE BEGINNING, IT GOT
SAT AT THE BEGINNING, IT GOT REALLY SERIOUS.
REALLY SERIOUS. EVEN SOME OF HIS STAFF SAID WE
EVEN SOME OF HIS STAFF SAID WE KNEW THIS WAS IN THE WORKS FOR
KNEW THIS WAS IN THE WORKS FOR SOME PERIOD OF TIME.
SOME PERIOD OF TIME. HE HAD WORKED ON HIS SPEECH AND
HE HAD WORKED ON HIS SPEECH AND WE ALL THOUGHT BUT AS HE
WE ALL THOUGHT BUT AS HE DISCUSSED IT WITH US IN THE ROOM
DISCUSSED IT WITH US IN THE ROOM AT AROUND 11:30 THIS MORNING, HE
AT AROUND 11:30 THIS MORNING, HE SAID SOMEHOW THE GRAVITY OF WHAT
SAID SOMEHOW THE GRAVITY OF WHAT HE WAS DOING BOTH IN TERMS OF
HE WAS DOING BOTH IN TERMS OF THE PRESIDENT, VOTING TO CONVICT
THE PRESIDENT, VOTING TO CONVICT HIM, TO REMOVE HIM FROM OFFICE,
HIM, TO REMOVE HIM FROM OFFICE, ALTHOUGH THAT’S NOT GOING TO
ALTHOUGH THAT’S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN, AND ALSO WHAT IT MEANS
HAPPEN, AND ALSO WHAT IT MEANS FOR ROMNEY’S OWN PERSONAL
FOR ROMNEY’S OWN PERSONAL CAREER.
CAREER. THE GRAVITY OF ALL OF THAT
THE GRAVITY OF ALL OF THAT REALLY HIT HOME.
REALLY HIT HOME. >> Dana: WE HAVE, THIS IS THE
>> Dana: WE HAVE, THIS IS THE BEGINNING OF ROMNEY’S FLOOR
BEGINNING OF ROMNEY’S FLOOR SPEECH WHEN HE JUST BEGAN.
SPEECH WHEN HE JUST BEGAN. LOOK AT THE EMOTION.
LOOK AT THE EMOTION. >> I AM PROFOUNDLY RELIGIOUS.
>> I AM PROFOUNDLY RELIGIOUS. MY FAITH IS AT THE HEART OF WHO
MY FAITH IS AT THE HEART OF WHO I AM.
I AM. I TAKE AN OATH BEFORE GOD AS
I TAKE AN OATH BEFORE GOD AS ENORMOUSLY CONSEQUENTIAL.
ENORMOUSLY CONSEQUENTIAL. >> Dana: HE SAID HE WAS A VERY
>> Dana: HE SAID HE WAS A VERY RELIGIOUS PERSON.
RELIGIOUS PERSON. HE’S GOING TO BE EATING ALONE AT
HE’S GOING TO BE EATING ALONE AT THE LUNCH TABLE.
THE LUNCH TABLE. BECAUSE THE LEFT, THEY ARE NOT
BECAUSE THE LEFT, THEY ARE NOT GOING TO BE YOUR NEW BEST
GOING TO BE YOUR NEW BEST FRIENDS, THE DEMOCRATS.
FRIENDS, THE DEMOCRATS. HE KNOWS AND HE’S VERY OPEN, HE
HE KNOWS AND HE’S VERY OPEN, HE KNOWS THAT THE PRESIDENT, AS YOU
KNOWS THAT THE PRESIDENT, AS YOU SAID, CHRIS, WILL NEVER FORGIVE
SAID, CHRIS, WILL NEVER FORGIVE HIM FOR IT.
HIM FOR IT. HE’S BEEN DISINVITED FROM CPAC
HE’S BEEN DISINVITED FROM CPAC AND YET HE DID SEEM VERY MUCH AT
AND YET HE DID SEEM VERY MUCH AT PEACE WITH THE DECISION.
PEACE WITH THE DECISION. >> Chris: YEAH, I THINK HE WAS
>> Chris: YEAH, I THINK HE WAS AT PEACE.
AT PEACE. I THINK THE EMOTION THAT YOU SAW
I THINK THE EMOTION THAT YOU SAW WAS ABSOLUTELY GENUINE.
WAS ABSOLUTELY GENUINE. YOU CANNOT OVERSTATE THE DEPTH
YOU CANNOT OVERSTATE THE DEPTH OF MITT ROMNEY’S FAITH.
OF MITT ROMNEY’S FAITH. THE DEGREE TO WHICH THIS WAS A
THE DEGREE TO WHICH THIS WAS A REAL CHALLENGE TO HIS FAITH INTO
REAL CHALLENGE TO HIS FAITH INTO HIS CONSCIENCE.
HIS CONSCIENCE. HE COULD ONLY SEE ONE WAY
HE COULD ONLY SEE ONE WAY THROUGH IT, ONLY ONE WAY HE
THROUGH IT, ONLY ONE WAY HE COULD LIVE WITH HIMSELF.
COULD LIVE WITH HIMSELF. HIM IT WAS A TOUGH PATH, A TOUGH
HIM IT WAS A TOUGH PATH, A TOUGH DECISION.
DECISION. AS I SAY, SOME PEOPLE ARE GOING
AS I SAY, SOME PEOPLE ARE GOING TO APPLAUD HIM.
TO APPLAUD HIM. SOME PEOPLE WILL CONDEMN HIM.
SOME PEOPLE WILL CONDEMN HIM. THE ONE THING I DON’T THINK

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