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MSNBC 13 Jan 2020

'Looking At Something Pretty Big': Russia Hacked Ukraine Company

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The New York Times reports that Russia hacked Burisma, the Ukrainian gas company that is central to the impeachment of Trump. Nicole Perlroth, one of the reporters who broke that story, tells Lawrence that Russia is also using spies in the "analog world" to find dirt in Ukraine. Perlroth says that DHS had no knowledge of the attack. Aired on 1/13/20.


The New York Times reports that Russians have hacked the Ukrainian gas company "Burisma," the company linked to Hunter Biden: "Experts say the timing and scale of the attacks suggest that the Russians could be searching for potentially embarrassing material on the Bidens..." Aired on 1/13/20.
One day before Speaker Pelosi meets with Democrats to finalize the transfer of impeachment articles, new reporting reveals Moscow's cyberattack on the firm linked to the Ukraine scandal. Aired on 01/13/20.
Russian hackers from a military intelligence unit hacked Burisma, the Ukrainian gas company Joe Biden's son Hunter works for, which is also at the center of President Donald Trump's impeachment. According to The New York Times, hackers used tactics reminiscent of 2016 attacks on the Democratic National Committee and Clinton campaign and were searching for information to embarrass the Biden family. Aired on 1/13/20.
The New York Times is reporting that Russians have hacked into Ukrainian oil company Burisma, which is at the center of the Biden international corruption scandal. One America's Chanel Rion recently led a Ukraine investigation with Rudy Giuliani and says the New York Times story raises some factual questions.

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INTELLIGENCE COMMITTEE, AND A DIRECTOR FOR
DIRECTOR FOR COUNTERINTELLIGENCE.
COUNTERINTELLIGENCE. HE’S AN MSNBC NATIONAL SECURITY
HE’S AN MSNBC NATIONAL SECURITY ANALYST.
ANALYST. NICOLE, YOUR BREAKING NEWS
NICOLE, YOUR BREAKING NEWS REPORT TONIGHT HAS REALLY
REPORT TONIGHT HAS REALLY DOMINATED OUR COVERAGE SINCE IT
DOMINATED OUR COVERAGE SINCE IT EMERGED.
EMERGED. I WANT TO KNOW HOW LONG HAVE YOU
I WANT TO KNOW HOW LONG HAVE YOU BEEN WORKING ON THIS STORY AND
BEEN WORKING ON THIS STORY AND HOW DID YOU GET AT THIS
HOW DID YOU GET AT THIS INFORMATION?
INFORMATION? >> SO WE HAD A PRETTY BIG STORY
>> SO WE HAD A PRETTY BIG STORY ABOUT THE STATE OF THE ELECTION,
ABOUT THE STATE OF THE ELECTION, THREATS TO THE ELECTION LAST
THREATS TO THE ELECTION LAST WEEK, AND WE SPENT MONTHS
WEEK, AND WE SPENT MONTHS PUTTING THAT STORY TOGETHER, BUT
PUTTING THAT STORY TOGETHER, BUT AT THE TIME THAT WE PRINTED IT
AT THE TIME THAT WE PRINTED IT LAST WEEK, THERE REALLY WASN’T
LAST WEEK, THERE REALLY WASN’T ANY CONCRETE EVIDENCE THAT THERE
ANY CONCRETE EVIDENCE THAT THERE WAS A CLEAR BREACH OR ATTACK
WAS A CLEAR BREACH OR ATTACK ALONG THE LINES OF WHAT WE SAW
ALONG THE LINES OF WHAT WE SAW IN 2016.
IN 2016. AS WE WERE JUST ABOUT TO GO TO
AS WE WERE JUST ABOUT TO GO TO PRINT, I CALLED UP ONE OF MY
PRINT, I CALLED UP ONE OF MY SOURCES AT AREA 1, WHICH IS A
SOURCES AT AREA 1, WHICH IS A SILICON VALLEY COMPANY, AND I
SILICON VALLEY COMPANY, AND I JUST WANTED TO DO SOME FACT
JUST WANTED TO DO SOME FACT CHECKING ON THE ARTICLE, AND HE
CHECKING ON THE ARTICLE, AND HE SAID, YOU KNOW WHAT, I THINK
SAID, YOU KNOW WHAT, I THINK WE’RE LOOKING AT SOMETHING
WE’RE LOOKING AT SOMETHING PRETTY BIG.
PRETTY BIG. AND HE BASICALLY SAID THAT ONE
AND HE BASICALLY SAID THAT ONE OF THEIR RESEMPARCHERS HAD SEEN
OF THEIR RESEMPARCHERS HAD SEEN THIS VERY CONCERTED, VERY
THIS VERY CONCERTED, VERY AGGRESSIVE CAMPAIGN IN THE LAST
AGGRESSIVE CAMPAIGN IN THE LAST COUPLE WEEKS OF 2019 TO GET THE
COUPLE WEEKS OF 2019 TO GET THE CREDENTIALS OF SOME UKRANIAN
CREDENTIALS OF SOME UKRANIAN COMPANIES.
COMPANIES. BUT HE HADN’T PUT TWO AND TWO
BUT HE HADN’T PUT TWO AND TWO TOGETHER.
TOGETHER. ASK
ASK AND JUST AS I WAS SPEAKING TO
AND JUST AS I WAS SPEAKING TO THE CEO OF AREA 1, HE SAID, WE
THE CEO OF AREA 1, HE SAID, WE LOOKED AT THEIR TARGETS AND THEY
LOOKED AT THEIR TARGETS AND THEY ALL HAD ONE THING IN COMMON.
ALL HAD ONE THING IN COMMON. THEY’RE ALL SUBSIDIARIES OF
THEY’RE ALL SUBSIDIARIES OF BURISMA.
BURISMA. SO OVER THE WEEKEND, WE KEPT IN
SO OVER THE WEEKEND, WE KEPT IN TOUCH, AND AS THEY DID MORE
TOUCH, AND AS THEY DID MORE FORENSIC WORK, THEY DETERMINED
FORENSIC WORK, THEY DETERMINED THAT ACTUALLY THEY HAD
THAT ACTUALLY THEY HAD SUCCESSFULLY PHISHED THESE FIVE
SUCCESSFULLY PHISHED THESE FIVE OR SO BURISMA SUBSIDIARIES.
OR SO BURISMA SUBSIDIARIES. IT LOOKS LIKE EMPLOYEES AT
IT LOOKS LIKE EMPLOYEES AT BURISMA HAD TURNED OVER THEIR
BURISMA HAD TURNED OVER THEIR EMAILS AND PASSWORDS.
EMAILS AND PASSWORDS. NOW, SEPARATELY MY COLLEAGUE,
NOW, SEPARATELY MY COLLEAGUE, MATT ROSENBERG, AND I ALSO
MATT ROSENBERG, AND I ALSO DETERMINED FROM SPEAKING TO
DETERMINED FROM SPEAKING TO INTELLIGENCE OFFICIALS THAT
INTELLIGENCE OFFICIALS THAT THERE WAS A CONCERTED EFFORT BY
THERE WAS A CONCERTED EFFORT BY RUSSIAN SPIES IN THE ANALOG
RUSSIAN SPIES IN THE ANALOG WORLD TO TRY AND INFILTRATE
WORLD TO TRY AND INFILTRATE BURISMA, TO TRY TO GET SIMILAR
BURISMA, TO TRY TO GET SIMILAR INFORMATION THAT TRUMP ACTUALLY
INFORMATION THAT TRUMP ACTUALLY HAD BEEN LOOKING FOR.
HAD BEEN LOOKING FOR. >> DO YOUR SOURCES INDICATE THAT
>> DO YOUR SOURCES INDICATE THAT THIS IS THE KIND OF ATTACK --
THIS IS THE KIND OF ATTACK -- AND YOU DESCRIBE IT, REALLY, AS
AND YOU DESCRIBE IT, REALLY, AS A BOMBARDMENT BY THE RUSSIAN
A BOMBARDMENT BY THE RUSSIAN ATTACKERS INTO THIS CYBER
ATTACKERS INTO THIS CYBER ENVIRONMENT IN UKRAINE, BUT IS
ENVIRONMENT IN UKRAINE, BUT IS THIS THE KIND OF ATTACK THAT THE
THIS THE KIND OF ATTACK THAT THE AMERICAN GOVERNMENT WOULD KNOW
AMERICAN GOVERNMENT WOULD KNOW ABOUT?
ABOUT? >> WE WOULD HOPE SO, BUT WHEN I

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