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MSNBC 22 May 2020

Jon Meacham: Trump Makes Richard Nixon Look Like Mr. Rogers

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Reacting to the president's handling of the coronavirus pandemic, presidential historians Jon Meacham and Michael Beschloss detail what they see as self-centered behavior from Trump. Aired on 05/22/2020.


Pulitzer Prize-winning historian and presidential biographer Jon Meacham joins to discuss Trump's behavior throughout the coronavirus pandemic. Aired on 04/14/2020.
Watch historical experts on American leadership Jon Meacham and Jared Cohen join Stephanie Ruhle to put President Trump's actions during the coronavirus in context. Aired on 4/29/2020.
President Donald Trump says he learned a very important lesson from fellow impeached president Richard Nixon: Don't fire people.
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DONALD TRUMP HAS DONE NONE OF
THAT OVER THE LAST COUPLE
MONTHS.
>> JOHN, I WAS PARTICULARLY
INTERESTED IN THE EPISODE OF
YOUR POD CAST THAT DEALT WITH
THE POLL OWEIO EPIDEMIC.
I FOUND IT GRIPPING AND A GREAT
REVIEW OF HISTORY.
WHAT DID YOU FIND YOURSELF
RELEARNING BY RESEARCHING AND
TELLING THE STORY ALL OVER
AGAIN.
>> SCIENCE MATTERS.
SCIENCE, SCIENCE, SCIENCE.
FACTS MATTER.
I GOT JOHN ADAMS ON THE BRAIN
FOR SOME REASON TONIGHT.
FACTS ARE STUBBORN THINGS AS
JOHN ADAMS SAID. THEY DROVE THEIR PROCESSES IN A
THEY DROVE THEIR PROCESSES IN A
SEARCH FOR A VACCINE THAT WOULD
ALLEVIATE AN ENVEPLOPEING NATION
GLOOM AND THEY DID IT BY PURE
RESEARCH AND UNFORTUNATELY RIGHT
NOW AND MICHAEL POSTED A PICTURE
OF THIS THE OTHER DAY, YOU HAD
PRESIDENT EISENHOWER IN A RARE
MOMENT.
I CAN ONLY THINK OF TWO MOMENTS,
MICHAEL, I CRIED PUBLICLY.
ONE WAS THE POLIO VACCINE AND
THE OTHER WAS 1964 WHEN HE WAS
AT D-DAY WITH CRONKITE.
I THINK THAT’S RIGHT.
>> YES, ALSO ’52 WHEN HE WAS
TALKING TO A GROUP OF D-DAY
SURVIVORS.
THAT REALLY BROUGHT IT OUT IN
HIM.
>> RIGHT, YOU HAVE THAT
REMARKABLE MOMENT AND THEN YOU
HAVE THIS -- TODAY OUR PROBLEM
IS, IT SEEMS TO ME, IS YOU HAVE
A PRESIDENT WHO IS NOT -- AT
LEAST STAYING OUT OF THE WAY OF
SCIENCE.
HE’S ACTIVELY INTERFERING WITH
IT.
BECAUSE OF POLITICAL AND
ECONOMIC SHORT TERM INDICATORS.
WHEN EVERYTHING, EVERY PERSON
WHO KNOWS WHAT THEY ARE TALKING
ABOUT TELLS US IS WE HAVE TO BE
CAREFUL ABOUT HOW WE REOPEN AND
THE PRESIDENT WHO IS OUR
COLLEAGUE JOE SCORELIKES TO SAY.
HE’S A DAY TRADER.
SO HE WANTS TO OPEN TO MAKE
TODAY BETTER FOR HIM AND HE
FIGURES HE’LL CLEAN IT UP LATER.
>> MICHAEL, INDEED AS A DEVOTED
FOLLOWER OF YOURS -- SURE.
GO AHEAD.
GO AHEAD.
>> I WAS GOING TO SAY, ALSO,
RUNNING FOR REELECTION AND
GOVERNING HIS RESPONSES TO THIS
CRISIS, I THINK A LOT OF PEOPLE
THAT THINK HE DOES CARE ARE PUT
OFF BY THAT.
FRANKLIN ROOSEVELT 1940, HITLER
WAS ON THE MARCH, JAPANESE WERE
ON THE MARCH.
PEOPLE HELPING HIS REELECTION
WOULD SAY I’M GOING TO BE AN
ISOLATIONISM BECAUSE MOST
AMERICANS DON’T WANT TO BE
INVOLVE IN A WAR AND LOSE
MEMBERS OF THEIR FAMILY.
INSTEAD, HE SAID WE HAVE TO
REARM AND HAVE A DRAFT AND HE
DID THAT JUST A FEW DAYS BEFORE
HE RAN FOR REELECTION, WAS NOT
HELPFUL TO HIM BUT KNEW THAT’S
WHAT THE PRESIDENCY IS.
>> I WAS ABOUT TO COMPLIMENT YOU
AS ANOTHER DEDICATED FOLLOWER OF
YOURS ON SOCIAL MEDIA.
I WAS A, STUNNED TO REMEMBER
THAT PICTURE OF EISENHOWER
CRYING NOT THE GUY WE TEND TO
THINK ABOUT AND MEMORIALIZE AS
SUPREME COMMANDER AND PRESIDENT.
THIS WAS YOUR POSTING TODAY, THE
HOLIDAY THAT USED TO BE CALLED
DECORATION DAY, MEMORIAL AT
ARLINGTON NATIONAL CEMETERY
DURING THE INFLUENZA PANDEMIC,
THIS IS MAY 19, ’19.
MICHAEL, TALK ABOUT ALL THE EVER
WAYS WE WERE SO VERY DIFFERENT.
>> LOOK AT THE PICTURE.
THERE WAS NO SOCIAL DISTANCING.
THAT WAS AT LEAST A YEAR INTO
THE PANDEMIC AND YOU HAD A
PRESIDENT WHO WAS A VERY COLD
HEARTED AND SELFISH PERSON WHO
WAS WOODRO WILSON WHO WANTED TO
RUN THE WAR FOR THE REST OF THE
TIME OF THE PREVIOUS YEAR AND
WANTED TO STAY POPULAR AND
DIDN’T WANT PEOPLE TO BE UPSET
BY THE IDEA THERE WAS A PANDEMIC
AND NEVER SPOKE IN PUBLIC BY THE
FACT 670,000 PLUS AMERICAS WERE
DYING OF THIS INFLUENZA.
THAT’S THE OPPOSITE OF WHAT YOU
WANT FROM A PRESIDENT.
YOU WANT A PRESIDENT WITH A
HEART SO EVEN IF HE MAKES
MISTAKES, PEOPLE WILL SAY IT NOT
BECAUSE HE’S INDIFFERENT, IT’S
BECAUSE HE’S HUMAN.
>> AND JOHN, LET’S TALK ABOUT
GRIEVANCE.
HAS GRIEVANCE EVER MARKED A
PRESIDENCY AS MUCH AS GRIEVANCE
MARKS THIS PRESIDENCY?
>> YOU KNOW, I’LL OFFER THIS TO
BE FACT CHECKED BY BOTH OF YOU.
I DIDN’T THINK WE WOULD EVER SEE
A LEVEL OF SELF-PITY AND RAGE
MORE THAN WHAT WE HEARD ON THE
NIXON TAPES.
>> RIGHT.
>> AND --
>> THAT USED TO BE THE GOLD
STANDARD.
>> RIGHT.
DONALD TRUMP MADE RICHARD NIXON
LOOK LIKE A FAMILY THERAPIST.
IT JUST A WHOLE -- MR. ROGERS,
YOU KNOW.
IT A WHOLE DIFFERENT LEVEL AND,
YEAH, SO MUCH OF IT IS FOR US
ALL TO SEE.
YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT TO ME IN
MANY WAYS THIS IS -- THERE ARE
TWO ESSENTIAL POINTS ABOUT
TRUMP.
ONE IS COMPETENCE WHICH IS
IMMEDIATEMEDIOCRE AT BEST AND TH
IS BECAUSE HE’S UNWILLING AS
MICHAEL SAID TO ADMIT HE’S MADE
A MISTAKE, BECAUSE HE’S
UNWILLING TO CLIMB OUT OF A SAY
BUBBLE ON TESTING IS THE THING
THAT COMES TO MIND.
WHATEVER TESTING COMES UP, WE
HAVE MORE IN THE WORLD, WHICH
BRIAN, AS YOU POINT OUT IS NOT
TRUE.
SO IT’S NOT TRUE AND IT DOESN’T
MATTER BECAUSE IT’S NOT A RACE
IN THAT SENSE.
IT’S ABOUT THE HEALTH AND
SECURITY OF THE NATION.
AND HE FALLS BACK ON THIS
BECAUSE HE SEEMS TO BE CONINCAPA
OF ACKNOWLEDGING ANYTHING CAN BE
DONE BETTER, MUCH LESS THAN A
MISTAKE WAS MADE.
I THINK WE’RE GOING TO STUDY
THIS PRESIDENCY FOREVER WITH A
PARTICULAR FOCUS ON WHAT YOU
JUST RAISED, WHY IS IT, WHY WAS
IT THAT HE WAS NOT ONLY UNABLE
OR UNWILLING TO LEARN ON THE JOB
BUT THAT HE WAS UNABLE TO ADMIT
IN THE FACE OF SOMETHING THAT’S
THREATENING HIS REELECTION,
RIGHT?
LET’S NOT SAY IT’S THE BEST
THING, THE RIGHT THING TO DORKS
WE’LL LEAVE THAT ASIDE.
HIS REELECTION IS DEPENDENT ON
THE MANAGEMENT OF THE CRISIS.
HE’S NOT MANAGED THE CRISIS WELL
BECAUSE HE’S UNABLE TO DO WHAT
EVERYONE SINCE THE ENLIGHTENMENT

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