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MSNBC 17 Apr 2020

Jeremy Bash On How Trump's Virus Rhetoric Could Affect US-China Relations

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Jeremy Bash joins Andrea Mitchell to discuss Trump's shifting rhetoric on China's handling of the coronavirus and the intelligence communities steps to investigate the origins of the virus. On the latter, Bash urges caution, saying that allegations China engineered the virus is "an explosive charge that can really inflame geopolitical tensions." Aired on 4/17/2020.


On today's What America's Thinking, National Political Reporter for The Hill, Jonathan Easley, breaks down how President Trump's church photo-op went down yesterday. While Trump pushes for churches to reopen, new Hill-HarrisX poll finds a majority of voters say churches should not be treated as essential businesses. Public opinion expert at the American Enterprise Institute, Dan Cox, explains Trump's relationship with religious voters. This survey was conducted online within the United States from May 27-28, 2020 among 961 registered voters by HarrisX. The sampling margin of error for this poll is plus or minus 3.16 percentage points. The results reflect a nationally representative sample of registered voters. Results were weighted for age within gender, region, race/ethnicity, income, political party, and education where necessary to align them with their actual proportions in the population.
MSNBC National Security Analyst Jeremy Bash reacts to Trump clearing out protesters with pepper spray and rubber bullets from Lafayette Park in DC comparing it to a time when fmr. Pres. Jimmy Carter went to the same space to speak to protesters. Aired on 6/3/2020.
CGTN's Rachelle Akuffo speaks with Peter Goggi, the President of the Tea Association of the USA on how COVID-19 is impacting the globe's tea supply.
Los Angeles Lakers SG Danny Green joins First Take to discuss the possibility of the NBA resuming the 2019-20 season, compares Kawhi Leonard and LeBron James' leadership styles and weighs in on how the Lakers can stop Kawhi and the LA Clippers if they meet again this season.
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PEOPLE FROM DROPLET TRANSMISSION OF COVID.
OF COVID. >> THANK YOU SO MUCH, DR. VIN
>> THANK YOU SO MUCH, DR. VIN GUPTA.
GUPTA. >>> MEANWHILE, CHINA IS
>>> MEANWHILE, CHINA IS DRAMATICALLY REVISING ITS DEATH
DRAMATICALLY REVISING ITS DEATH TOLL IN WUHAN, THE CITY WHERE
TOLL IN WUHAN, THE CITY WHERE COVID-19 ORIGINATED.
COVID-19 ORIGINATED. ADDING 50% MORE DEATHS.
ADDING 50% MORE DEATHS. OFFICIALS NOW SAYING NEARLY
OFFICIALS NOW SAYING NEARLY 4,000 PEOPLE DIED FROM THE NOVEL
4,000 PEOPLE DIED FROM THE NOVEL CORONAVIRUS, AN INCREASE OF
CORONAVIRUS, AN INCREASE OF ABOUT 1,300.
ABOUT 1,300. THIS AS THE U.S. INTELLIGENCE
THIS AS THE U.S. INTELLIGENCE COMMUNITY IS LOOKING INTO
COMMUNITY IS LOOKING INTO WHETHER THE CORONAVIRUS
WHETHER THE CORONAVIRUS ACCIDENTLY SPREAD FROM A LAB IN
ACCIDENTLY SPREAD FROM A LAB IN WUHAN THAT WAS STUDYING THE
WUHAN THAT WAS STUDYING THE VIRUS INSTEAD OF BATS IN THE WET
VIRUS INSTEAD OF BATS IN THE WET MARKET.
MARKET. ONE SOURCE TELLING NBC IT IS A
ONE SOURCE TELLING NBC IT IS A LIKABILITY BUT NOT THE MOST
LIKABILITY BUT NOT THE MOST POSSIBLE LIKABILITY.
POSSIBLE LIKABILITY. JOINING ME NOW, THE FORMER CIA
JOINING ME NOW, THE FORMER CIA OF THE PENTAGON.
OF THE PENTAGON. WE HAVE BEEN HEARING SEVERAL
WE HAVE BEEN HEARING SEVERAL MESSAGES HERE, MIKE POMPEO
MESSAGES HERE, MIKE POMPEO PUSHING DIFFERENT THEORIES ON
PUSHING DIFFERENT THEORIES ON THE LABS.
THE LABS. HE REALLY WENT FORWARD BUT NOT
HE REALLY WENT FORWARD BUT NOT MIKE ESPER OR CHAIRMAN OF THE
MIKE ESPER OR CHAIRMAN OF THE JOINT CHIEFS AT THE PENTAGON
JOINT CHIEFS AT THE PENTAGON SAYING IT’S LESS LIKELY.
SAYING IT’S LESS LIKELY. WHAT DO WE KNOW ABOUT THE
WHAT DO WE KNOW ABOUT THE ACCURACY OF OUR OWN JENSZ
ACCURACY OF OUR OWN JENSZ INTELLIGENCE?
INTELLIGENCE? >> I THINK WE HAVE TO WAIT TO
>> I THINK WE HAVE TO WAIT TO HEAR FROM THE INTELLIGENCE
HEAR FROM THE INTELLIGENCE PROFESSIONALS, ANDREA.
PROFESSIONALS, ANDREA. THAT’S NOT SOMETHING THE
THAT’S NOT SOMETHING THE PRESIDENT OFTEN DOES.
PRESIDENT OFTEN DOES. BUT IT’S SO IMPORTANT HERE
BUT IT’S SO IMPORTANT HERE BECAUSE AN ALLEGATION THAT CHINA
BECAUSE AN ALLEGATION THAT CHINA ALLOWED THE VIRUS TO ESCAPE FROM
ALLOWED THE VIRUS TO ESCAPE FROM A LAB THROUGH NEGLIGENCE OR
A LAB THROUGH NEGLIGENCE OR WORSE, PERHAPS BECAUSE THEY WERE
WORSE, PERHAPS BECAUSE THEY WERE TRYING TO ENGINEER SOMETHING,
TRYING TO ENGINEER SOMETHING, THAT’S AN EXPLOSIVE CHARGE THAT
THAT’S AN EXPLOSIVE CHARGE THAT CAN REALLY INFLAME GEOPOLITICAL
CAN REALLY INFLAME GEOPOLITICAL TENSIONS.
TENSIONS. I THINK THE PRESIDENT HAS SENT
I THINK THE PRESIDENT HAS SENT MIXED MESSAGES ON CHINA.
MIXED MESSAGES ON CHINA. YOU WILL RECALL ON JANUARY 24th,
YOU WILL RECALL ON JANUARY 24th, THE PRESIDENT BASICALLY STOOD UP
THE PRESIDENT BASICALLY STOOD UP AND SAID THE UNITED STATES
AND SAID THE UNITED STATES GREATLY APPRECIATES THE EFFORTS
GREATLY APPRECIATES THE EFFORTS AND TRANSPARENCY THAT CHINA HAS
AND TRANSPARENCY THAT CHINA HAS UNDERTAKEN.
UNDERTAKEN. IT WILL ALL WORK OUT WELL, HE
IT WILL ALL WORK OUT WELL, HE SAID, ON BEHALF OF THE AMERICAN
SAID, ON BEHALF OF THE AMERICAN PEOPLE, IN PARTICULAR I WANT TO
PEOPLE, IN PARTICULAR I WANT TO THANK XI JINPING.
THANK XI JINPING. RIGHT OUT OF THE GATE PRAISING
RIGHT OUT OF THE GATE PRAISING XI JINPING, BE CONGRATULATING
XI JINPING, BE CONGRATULATING CHINA, THANKING THEM FOR THEIR
CHINA, THANKING THEM FOR THEIR TRANSPARENCY, AND IN FACT WE
TRANSPARENCY, AND IN FACT WE KNOW THEY’VE BEEN ANYTHING BUT.
KNOW THEY’VE BEEN ANYTHING BUT. >> WHEN WE LOOK AT CHINA, CHINA
>> WHEN WE LOOK AT CHINA, CHINA IS THE SOURCE OF CHEMICALS WE
IS THE SOURCE OF CHEMICALS WE NEED FOR THE TESTS TO BE
NEED FOR THE TESTS TO BE PROCESSED IN LABS.
PROCESSED IN LABS. CHINA IS THE SOURCE OF THE MASKS
CHINA IS THE SOURCE OF THE MASKS AND A LOT OF THE OTHER EQUIPMENT
AND A LOT OF THE OTHER EQUIPMENT THAT WE NEED.
THAT WE NEED. SO THIS MIXED MESSAGE IS
SO THIS MIXED MESSAGE IS CONTRIBUTING TO THE SUPPLY CHAIN
CONTRIBUTING TO THE SUPPLY CHAIN AS WELL.
AS WELL. >> THAT’S RIGHT, ANDREA.
>> THAT’S RIGHT, ANDREA. I THINK AN INTEGRATE ADD
I THINK AN INTEGRATE ADD APPROACH TO CHINA HAS TO HAVE
APPROACH TO CHINA HAS TO HAVE SEVERAL ELEMENTS.
SEVERAL ELEMENTS. NUMBER ONE, WE DEFINITIVELY HAVE
NUMBER ONE, WE DEFINITIVELY HAVE TO BE TOUGH ON THEM ON THE LACK
TO BE TOUGH ON THEM ON THE LACK OF TRANSPARENCY.
OF TRANSPARENCY. ALSO, I DON’T THINK WE SHOULD BE
ALSO, I DON’T THINK WE SHOULD BE RUNNING HEAD LONG INTO REWARDING
RUNNING HEAD LONG INTO REWARDING THEM WITH TRADE DEALS LIKE PHASE
THEM WITH TRADE DEALS LIKE PHASE ONE OR TRAYS ONE FOLLOW-ON TRADE
ONE OR TRAYS ONE FOLLOW-ON TRADE DEAL.
DEAL. BUT WE DO HAVE TO WORK
BUT WE DO HAVE TO WORK COLLABORATIVELY WITH CHINA AND
COLLABORATIVELY WITH CHINA AND OTHER COUNTRIES TO SOLVE THIS
OTHER COUNTRIES TO SOLVE THIS PROBLEM.
PROBLEM. SCAPEGOATING THAT THE CHINESE
SCAPEGOATING THAT THE CHINESE VIRUS OR DENIGRATING OR ZENO
VIRUS OR DENIGRATING OR ZENO PHOBIC COMMENTS ABOUT CHINA IS
PHOBIC COMMENTS ABOUT CHINA IS COUNTERPRODUCTIVE.
COUNTERPRODUCTIVE. BECAUSE A VIRUS KNOWS NO
BECAUSE A VIRUS KNOWS NO POLITICAL BOUNDARIES, DOES NOT
POLITICAL BOUNDARIES, DOES NOT UNDERSTAND NATION STATES.
UNDERSTAND NATION STATES. IT CAN INFECT ANYONE ANYWHERE.
IT CAN INFECT ANYONE ANYWHERE. AND THE PRESENCE OF THE VIRUS IN
AND THE PRESENCE OF THE VIRUS IN CHINA OR ELSEWHERE COULD
CHINA OR ELSEWHERE COULD ULTIMATELY AND WILL ULTIMATELY
ULTIMATELY AND WILL ULTIMATELY HARM AMERICA AND AMERICAN
HARM AMERICA AND AMERICAN CITIZENS.
CITIZENS. SO WE HAVE TO WORK GLOBALLY TO
SO WE HAVE TO WORK GLOBALLY TO TAKE ON THIS CHALLENGE, AND I
TAKE ON THIS CHALLENGE, AND I THINK EFFORTS TO TRY TO DIVIDE
THINK EFFORTS TO TRY TO DIVIDE US BETWEEN COUNTRIES OR TRYING
US BETWEEN COUNTRIES OR TRYING TO LOOK FOR SCAPEGOATS IS
TO LOOK FOR SCAPEGOATS IS FUNDAMENTALLY COUNTERPRODUCTIVE.
FUNDAMENTALLY COUNTERPRODUCTIVE. >> DO YOU TRUST THE INTELLIGENCE
>> DO YOU TRUST THE INTELLIGENCE THAT THE PRESIDENT IS GETTING
THAT THE PRESIDENT IS GETTING FROM THE SHAKE-UPS AND THE
FROM THE SHAKE-UPS AND THE FIRINGS AND LACK OF AN
FIRINGS AND LACK OF AN INDEPENDENT WATCH DOG NOW OVER
INDEPENDENT WATCH DOG NOW OVER THE INTELLIGENCE COMMUNITY?
THE INTELLIGENCE COMMUNITY? >> I TRUST THE INTELLIGENCE
>> I TRUST THE INTELLIGENCE PROFESSIONALS.
PROFESSIONALS. I HAVE BEEN TALKING TO MANY OF
I HAVE BEEN TALKING TO MANY OF THEM OVER THE LAST SEPARATE
THEM OVER THE LAST SEPARATE WEEKS.
WEEKS. THEY’RE NOSE DOWN WORKING
THEY’RE NOSE DOWN WORKING DILIGENTLY.
DILIGENTLY. THEY’VE HAD TO SHIFT SOME OF
THEY’VE HAD TO SHIFT SOME OF THEIR MODES OF OPERATION IN SOME
THEIR MODES OF OPERATION IN SOME CASES ENGAGING IN TELEWORK,
CASES ENGAGING IN TELEWORK, WORKING REMOTELY, USING OTHER
WORKING REMOTELY, USING OTHER METHODS AND MEANS TO COLLECT AND
METHODS AND MEANS TO COLLECT AND ANALYZE INTELLIGENCE.
ANALYZE INTELLIGENCE. I THINK THEY’RE DOING A VERY
I THINK THEY’RE DOING A VERY DILIGENT JOB AT PROVIDING AS
DILIGENT JOB AT PROVIDING AS MUCH INFORMATION UP THE CHAIN OF
MUCH INFORMATION UP THE CHAIN OF COMMAND AS THEY HAVE WITH
COMMAND AS THEY HAVE WITH RESPECT TO CHINA AND OTHER
RESPECT TO CHINA AND OTHER COUNTRIES.
COUNTRIES. AND WITH RESPECT TO WHAT OTHER
AND WITH RESPECT TO WHAT OTHER COUNTRIES ARE DOING AND HOW
COUNTRIES ARE DOING AND HOW THEY’RE REACTING TO THE
THEY’RE REACTING TO THE CORONAVIRUS CRIER SIS.SIS.
CORONAVIRUS CRIER SIS.SIS. BUT I DO, WORRY, ANDREA, THAT
BUT I DO, WORRY, ANDREA, THAT THE PRESIDENT SOMETIMES DOESN’T
THE PRESIDENT SOMETIMES DOESN’T LISTEN, DOESN’T HEED THAT
LISTEN, DOESN’T HEED THAT ADVICE.
ADVICE. WE HEARD EARLIER ON IN THE
WE HEARD EARLIER ON IN THE ADMINISTRATION TIMES WHEN THE
ADMINISTRATION TIMES WHEN THE PRESIDENT SAID DON’T TELL ME
PRESIDENT SAID DON’T TELL ME ABOUT WHAT VLADIMIR PUTIN IS
ABOUT WHAT VLADIMIR PUTIN IS DOING.
DOING. AND HE WILL GO OUT AND PRAISE XI
AND HE WILL GO OUT AND PRAISE XI JINPING AS I MENTIONED JANUARY
JINPING AS I MENTIONED JANUARY 24th, DESPITE THE INTELLIGENCE
24th, DESPITE THE INTELLIGENCE WARNING THAT THE INTELLIGENCE
WARNING THAT THE INTELLIGENCE COMMUNITY PROVIDES.
COMMUNITY PROVIDES. >> JEREMY, ONE OF THE THINGS I
>> JEREMY, ONE OF THE THINGS I WAS JUST REFERENCING WITH WILLEM
WAS JUST REFERENCING WITH WILLEM MARX IS THE WHITE HOUSE PUT OUT
MARX IS THE WHITE HOUSE PUT OUT THIS ROSY STATEMENT ABOUT THE G7
THIS ROSY STATEMENT ABOUT THE G7 VIDEO CONFERENCE THAT THEY HAD
VIDEO CONFERENCE THAT THEY HAD YESTERDAY.
YESTERDAY. AND EVERYONE AGREES AND
AND EVERYONE AGREES AND CRITICIZES THE W.H.O.
CRITICIZES THE W.H.O. AND THAT’S NOT WHAT HAPPENED
AND THAT’S NOT WHAT HAPPENED ACCORDING TO ANGELA MERKEL AND
ACCORDING TO ANGELA MERKEL AND JUSTIN TRUDEAU AND SOME OF THE
JUSTIN TRUDEAU AND SOME OF THE OTHER WORLD LEADERS.
OTHER WORLD LEADERS. THEY, IN FACT, PUSHED BACK
THEY, IN FACT, PUSHED BACK AGAINST THE PRESIDENT’S
AGAINST THE PRESIDENT’S CRITICISM OF THE W.H.O.
CRITICISM OF THE W.H.O. >> THAT’S RIGHT.
>> THAT’S RIGHT. THIS IS PRECISELY THE MOMENT,
THIS IS PRECISELY THE MOMENT, ANDREA, WE NEED TO HAVE GLOBAL
ANDREA, WE NEED TO HAVE GLOBAL LEADERSHIP FROM WASHINGTON, FROM
LEADERSHIP FROM WASHINGTON, FROM THE WHITE HOUSE, TO BRING
THE WHITE HOUSE, TO BRING TOGETHER COUNTRIES WHETHER IT’S
TOGETHER COUNTRIES WHETHER IT’S IN THE G7 FORMATION OR G20 OR
IN THE G7 FORMATION OR G20 OR OTHER MULTI LATERAL
OTHER MULTI LATERAL INSTITUTIONS.
INSTITUTIONS. THE WAY WE HAVE TO THINK ABOUT
THE WAY WE HAVE TO THINK ABOUT THIS VIRUS IS IT’S A NEW KIND OF
THIS VIRUS IS IT’S A NEW KIND OF THREAT, A GLOBAL THREAT THAT
THREAT, A GLOBAL THREAT THAT AFFECTS EVERY COUNTRY, EVERY
AFFECTS EVERY COUNTRY, EVERY PERSON, ALL OF HUMANITY, IN

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