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MSNBC 12 Nov 2019

How Bots Ignited False Voter Fraud Claims In Kentucky & What Means For 2020

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The New York Times explains how false information quickly spread on social media during Kentucky's recent gubernatorial, and how those concerns could show up again in the 2020 election. Clint Watts reacts. Aired on 11/11/19.


As coronavirus lockdown orders affect primary elections across the country, concern is mounting over possible voter fraud headed into November. One Americas Jack Posobiec has more from Washington.
The MLB considers possible reopening options while Dr. Anthony Fauci expresses his hope for baseball to return. Aired on 04/29/2020.
NBC News' Jane Timm fact checks President Trump's claim that mail-in ballots lead to voter fraud.
CGTN's Rachelle Akuffo spoke with Krishna Subramanian about how COVID-19 is impacting social media influencers. Krishna is a Co-founder of Captiv8.

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>>> LAST WEEK’S ELECTION IN
>>> LAST WEEK’S ELECTION IN KENTUCKY ACCORDING TO THE PAPER,
KENTUCKY ACCORDING TO THE PAPER, QUOTE
QUOTE QUOTE, A FEW HOURS AFTER POLLS
QUOTE, A FEW HOURS AFTER POLLS CLOSED IN KENTUCKY LAST TUESDAY,
CLOSED IN KENTUCKY LAST TUESDAY, A TWITTER USER POSTED A MESSAGE
A TWITTER USER POSTED A MESSAGE TO HIS 19 FOLLOWERS SAYING HE
TO HIS 19 FOLLOWERS SAYING HE HAD JUST SHREDDED A BOX OF
HAD JUST SHREDDED A BOX OF REPUBLICAN MAIL-IN BALLOTS.
REPUBLICAN MAIL-IN BALLOTS. IT WASN’T TRUE BUT THAT SELDOM
IT WASN’T TRUE BUT THAT SELDOM MATTERS ON SOCIAL MEDIA ANYMORE.
MATTERS ON SOCIAL MEDIA ANYMORE. "THE TIMES" REPORTS THE ACCOUNT
"THE TIMES" REPORTS THE ACCOUNT DOES NOT APPEAR TO BE FROM
DOES NOT APPEAR TO BE FROM KENTUCKY.
KENTUCKY. FOR STARTERS, LOUISVILLE WAS
FOR STARTERS, LOUISVILLE WAS MISSPELLED.
MISSPELLED. TWITTER HAS SINCE SUSPENDED THAT
TWITTER HAS SINCE SUSPENDED THAT ACCOUNT YET THE DAMAGE HAS BEEN
ACCOUNT YET THE DAMAGE HAS BEEN DONE AND THE FALSE CLAIM IS
DONE AND THE FALSE CLAIM IS STILL SPREADING ON ITS OWN
STILL SPREADING ON ITS OWN TONIGHT.
TONIGHT. QUOTE, HYPERPARTISAN
QUOTE, HYPERPARTISAN CONSERVATIVES AND TROLS WERE
CONSERVATIVES AND TROLS WERE PUSHING OUT A SCREEN SHOT OF THE
PUSHING OUT A SCREEN SHOT OF THE MESSAGE BOOSTED BY WHAT APPEARED
MESSAGE BOOSTED BY WHAT APPEARED TO BE A NETWORK OF BOTS AND
TO BE A NETWORK OF BOTS AND PROVIDING EARLY GRIST FOR
PROVIDING EARLY GRIST FOR ALLEGATIONS OF THEFT IN
ALLEGATIONS OF THEFT IN KENTUCKY.
KENTUCKY. HIGH-PROFILE RIGHT-WING FIGURES
HIGH-PROFILE RIGHT-WING FIGURES WERE SOON TWEETING OUT THEIR OWN
WERE SOON TWEETING OUT THEIR OWN CONSPIRACY THEORIES ABOUT THE
CONSPIRACY THEORIES ABOUT THE ELECTION BEING STOLEN MESSAGES
ELECTION BEING STOLEN MESSAGES PUSHED BY EVEN MORE TROLLS AND
PUSHED BY EVEN MORE TROLLS AND BOT SS AND THE BEVIN CAMPAIGN,
BOT SS AND THE BEVIN CAMPAIGN, LOSING CAMPAIGN OF THE INCUMBENT
LOSING CAMPAIGN OF THE INCUMBENT GOVERNOR BEGAN TALKING ABOUT
GOVERNOR BEGAN TALKING ABOUT IRREGULARITIES IN THE VOTE
IRREGULARITIES IN THE VOTE WITHOUT OFFERING ANY SPECIFICS
WITHOUT OFFERING ANY SPECIFICS OR EVIDENCE.
OR EVIDENCE. "THE TIMES" SAYS THERE’S NO
"THE TIMES" SAYS THERE’S NO EVIDENCE OF ANY ACTUAL
EVIDENCE OF ANY ACTUAL IRREGULARITIES IN THE VOTING.
IRREGULARITIES IN THE VOTING. REPUBLICAN GOVERNOR MATT BEVIN,
REPUBLICAN GOVERNOR MATT BEVIN, THERE ON THE RIGHT, STILL HAS
THERE ON THE RIGHT, STILL HAS NOT CONCEDED TO DEMOCRAT ANDY
NOT CONCEDED TO DEMOCRAT ANDY BASHIR.
BASHIR. MITCH McCONNELL, WHO WE QUICKLY
MITCH McCONNELL, WHO WE QUICKLY ADD IS FROM KENTUCKY, TOLD
ADD IS FROM KENTUCKY, TOLD REPORTERS BEVIN CAME UP SHORT
REPORTERS BEVIN CAME UP SHORT AND BARRING SOME DRAMATIC
AND BARRING SOME DRAMATIC REVERSAL, IT APPEARS KENTUCKY IS
REVERSAL, IT APPEARS KENTUCKY IS GETTING A NEW GOVERNOR.
GETTING A NEW GOVERNOR. HERE WITH MORE ON ELECTION
HERE WITH MORE ON ELECTION DISINFORMATION, CLINT WATTS,
DISINFORMATION, CLINT WATTS, FORMER FBI INVESTIGATOR, AUTHOR
FORMER FBI INVESTIGATOR, AUTHOR OF "MESSING WITH THE ENEMY:
OF "MESSING WITH THE ENEMY: SURVIVING IN A SOCIAL MEDIA
SURVIVING IN A SOCIAL MEDIA WORLD OF HACKERS, RUSSIANS AND
WORLD OF HACKERS, RUSSIANS AND FAKE NEWS," EXACTLY WHAT WE’VE
FAKE NEWS," EXACTLY WHAT WE’VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT HERE IN THIS
BEEN TALKING ABOUT HERE IN THIS SEGMENT.
SEGMENT. I HAVE THIS TWEET IN FRONT OF
I HAVE THIS TWEET IN FRONT OF ME.
ME. I DON’T KNOW WHY I WANT TO READ
I DON’T KNOW WHY I WANT TO READ IT IN A RUSSIAN ACCENT BUT JUST
IT IN A RUSSIAN ACCENT BUT JUST SHREDDED A BOX OF REPUBLICAN
SHREDDED A BOX OF REPUBLICAN MAIL-IN BALLOTS.
MAIL-IN BALLOTS. BYE-BYE BEVIN.
BYE-BYE BEVIN. WHAT’S GOING ON HERE?
WHAT’S GOING ON HERE? WHAT’S THE ALARM BELL FOR 2020?
WHAT’S THE ALARM BELL FOR 2020? >> I THINK THE ALARM BELL FOR
>> I THINK THE ALARM BELL FOR 2020 IS THE RUSSIANS WERE
2020 IS THE RUSSIANS WERE FORERUNNERS IN 2016.
FORERUNNERS IN 2016. IT WILL BE AMERICANS THAT DO
IT WILL BE AMERICANS THAT DO THIS TO OTHER AMERICANS IN 2020.
THIS TO OTHER AMERICANS IN 2020. >> NO BARRIER IN ENTRY.
>> NO BARRIER IN ENTRY. >> NO BARRIER IN ENTRY.
>> NO BARRIER IN ENTRY. DISINFORMATION ON SOCIAL MEDIA.
DISINFORMATION ON SOCIAL MEDIA. RUSSIA WILL BE ONE OF MANY.
RUSSIA WILL BE ONE OF MANY. THE ONES WITH THE MOST
THE ONES WITH THE MOST TECHNOLOGY AND MOST MONEY REALLY
TECHNOLOGY AND MOST MONEY REALLY COME DOWN TO POLITICAL
COME DOWN TO POLITICAL CAMPAIGNS, POLITICAL SUPPORTERS,
CAMPAIGNS, POLITICAL SUPPORTERS, ACTIVISTS.
ACTIVISTS. THEY’RE REALLY GOING TO BLOW
THEY’RE REALLY GOING TO BLOW THIS OUT.
THIS OUT. WHAT YOU’RE SEEING WITH THESE
WHAT YOU’RE SEEING WITH THESE SOCIAL BOTS, THIS PROPAGANDA IS
SOCIAL BOTS, THIS PROPAGANDA IS THAT ANYBODY CAN RENT THESE ON
THAT ANYBODY CAN RENT THESE ON THE DARK WEB, MAKE THEM, DEPLOY
THE DARK WEB, MAKE THEM, DEPLOY THEM.
THEM. THEY CAN HAVE A DRAMATIC EFFECT
THEY CAN HAVE A DRAMATIC EFFECT JUST WITH ONE TWEET PERFECTLY
JUST WITH ONE TWEET PERFECTLY TIMED ON THE RIGHT TOPIC AND THE
TIMED ON THE RIGHT TOPIC AND THE RIGHT DAY.
RIGHT DAY. >> IF YOU HAVE 19 FOLLOWERS
>> IF YOU HAVE 19 FOLLOWERS SPEAKING OF COLLUSION, DOESN’T
SPEAKING OF COLLUSION, DOESN’T THIS KIND OF REQUIRE YOU TO HAVE
THIS KIND OF REQUIRE YOU TO HAVE GAINED OUT ONE OF THOSE PEOPLE
GAINED OUT ONE OF THOSE PEOPLE TO SEE IT, LIKE IT, SEND IT ON
TO SEE IT, LIKE IT, SEND IT ON ITS WAY?
ITS WAY? >> USUALLY.
>> USUALLY. WHAT IT COMES DOWN TO IS WHEN
WHAT IT COMES DOWN TO IS WHEN YOU HAVE KEY INFLUENCERS IN AN
YOU HAVE KEY INFLUENCERS IN AN AUDIENCE THAT ARE LOOKING FOR A
AUDIENCE THAT ARE LOOKING FOR A REASON TO JUSTIFY THE OUTCOME
REASON TO JUSTIFY THE OUTCOME THEY WANT.
THEY WANT. IN THIS CASE, THAT BEN
IN THIS CASE, THAT BEN SUPPORTER OR BEVIN OUTCOME OR
SUPPORTER OR BEVIN OUTCOME OR ELECTION FRAUD OR VOTER --
ELECTION FRAUD OR VOTER -- ELECTION RIGGED VOTER FRAUD.
ELECTION RIGGED VOTER FRAUD. THEY WILL AMPLIFY THAT.
THEY WILL AMPLIFY THAT. IT COULD BE SOMEONE WITH FIVE
IT COULD BE SOMEONE WITH FIVE FOLLOWERS, ONE FOLLOWER.
FOLLOWERS, ONE FOLLOWER. THAT WILL BLOW UP AND TAKE ON
THAT WILL BLOW UP AND TAKE ON ITS OWN VIRAL EFFECT.
ITS OWN VIRAL EFFECT. >> I HAVE ASKED OUR BOSSES TO
>> I HAVE ASKED OUR BOSSES TO MAKE SURE YOU ARE IN THIS STUDIO
MAKE SURE YOU ARE IN THIS STUDIO FOR ELECTION NIGHT 2020, BECAUSE
FOR ELECTION NIGHT 2020, BECAUSE I FEAR SO MUCH OF THE PLOT LINE
I FEAR SO MUCH OF THE PLOT LINE IS GOING TO BE EXACTLY IN YOUR
IS GOING TO BE EXACTLY IN YOUR AREA OF EXPERTISE.
AREA OF EXPERTISE. WE COULD BE TALKING ABOUT 50
WE COULD BE TALKING ABOUT 50 STATE ELECTIONS WITH PEOPLE
STATE ELECTIONS WITH PEOPLE ALLEGING ON SOCIAL MEDIA THERE
ALLEGING ON SOCIAL MEDIA THERE HAVE BEEN IRREGULARITIES WITH
HAVE BEEN IRREGULARITIES WITH THE VOTE IN NEW MEXICO, NEW
THE VOTE IN NEW MEXICO, NEW HAMPSHIRE, VERMONT AND SO ON.
HAMPSHIRE, VERMONT AND SO ON. >> THE ONE THING WE ARE WORRIED
>> THE ONE THING WE ARE WORRIED ABOUT, MY TEAM -- I WORK WITH
ABOUT, MY TEAM -- I WORK WITH TWO GUYS ON ELECTION NIGHT 2016,
TWO GUYS ON ELECTION NIGHT 2016, AS MUCH AS WE HAD WATCHED THE
AS MUCH AS WE HAD WATCHED THE RUSSIANS, WHAT WERE WE WERE
RUSSIANS, WHAT WERE WE WERE WORRIED ABOUT THE MOST WAS
WORRIED ABOUT THE MOST WAS ELECTION RIGGED VOTER FRAUD.
ELECTION RIGGED VOTER FRAUD. THOSE CLAIMS GETTING PEOPLE TO
THOSE CLAIMS GETTING PEOPLE TO SHOW UP AT THE POLLS THAT THEY
SHOW UP AT THE POLLS THAT THEY WOULD SECURE THE BALLOT BOX OR
WOULD SECURE THE BALLOT BOX OR THERE COULD BE VIOLENCE.
THERE COULD BE VIOLENCE. WHAT’S IRONIC IS HOW MUCH TIME
WHAT’S IRONIC IS HOW MUCH TIME HAS BEEN SPENT -- I SAID AT
HAS BEEN SPENT -- I SAID AT INTEL COMMITTEE WHEN I TESTIFIED
INTEL COMMITTEE WHEN I TESTIFIED THERE, THAT RUSH CAMERA DIDN’T
THERE, THAT RUSH CAMERA DIDN’T CHANGE ANY VOTES.
CHANGE ANY VOTES. YET WHAT DO WE HAVE?
YET WHAT DO WE HAVE? A GOVERNOR IS SAYING WE DON’T
A GOVERNOR IS SAYING WE DON’T KNOW IF THE VOTE IS CORRECT.
KNOW IF THE VOTE IS CORRECT. GUESS WHO IS IN CHARGE?
GUESS WHO IS IN CHARGE? THE GOVERNOR OF THAT STATE.
THE GOVERNOR OF THAT STATE. GUESS WHO IS SUPPOSED TO BE
GUESS WHO IS SUPPOSED TO BE AUTHORIZING FUNDINGS.
AUTHORIZING FUNDINGS. MITCH McCONNELL, SENATE MAJORITY
MITCH McCONNELL, SENATE MAJORITY LEADER FROM KENTUCKY WHO BLOCKED
LEADER FROM KENTUCKY WHO BLOCKED THAT BECAUSE WHY?
THAT BECAUSE WHY? HE DIDN’T WANT THE FEDS MESSING
HE DIDN’T WANT THE FEDS MESSING AROUND IN LOCAL AND STATE
AROUND IN LOCAL AND STATE ELECTIONS.
ELECTIONS. WELL, MAYBE WE NEED TO DO THAT,
WELL, MAYBE WE NEED TO DO THAT, MITCH McCONNELL.
MITCH McCONNELL. >> WELL DONE WITHOUT A WHITE
>> WELL DONE WITHOUT A WHITE BOARD CONNECTING ALL THOSE DOTS.
BOARD CONNECTING ALL THOSE DOTS. I WAS GOING TO ASK YOU, AND WE
I WAS GOING TO ASK YOU, AND WE CAN USE THE GOVERNOR OF KENTUCKY
CAN USE THE GOVERNOR OF KENTUCKY AS A JUMPING ON POINT.
AS A JUMPING ON POINT. WHAT HAPPENS WHEN BIG NAME
WHAT HAPPENS WHEN BIG NAME CANDIDATES START TO EMBRACE
CANDIDATES START TO EMBRACE SOMETHING WE KNOW IS A
SOMETHING WE KNOW IS A CONSPIRACY THEORY?
CONSPIRACY THEORY? >> THE FUNNIEST THING -- IT’S
>> THE FUNNIEST THING -- IT’S NOT FUNNY, JUST THE IRONY IN
NOT FUNNY, JUST THE IRONY IN THIS WHOLE THING IS WHAT RUSSIA
THIS WHOLE THING IS WHAT RUSSIA WANTED TO DO LONG RUN -- SHORT
WANTED TO DO LONG RUN -- SHORT RUN, SURE, THEY’LL GO FOR A
RUN, SURE, THEY’LL GO FOR A CANDIDATE WHO SUPPORTS THEIR
CANDIDATE WHO SUPPORTS THEIR VIEWS BUT DEGRADE DEMOCRACY,
VIEWS BUT DEGRADE DEMOCRACY, ERODE CONFIDENCE ABOUT
ERODE CONFIDENCE ABOUT INSTITUTIONS, OFFICIALS, ARE
INSTITUTIONS, OFFICIALS, ARE THEY APPOINTED, ARE THEY
THEY APPOINTED, ARE THEY ACTUALLY WINNING THE VOTE?
ACTUALLY WINNING THE VOTE? YOU WANT TO BREAK THEIR
YOU WANT TO BREAK THEIR CONFIDENCE AND TRUST IN ALL OF
CONFIDENCE AND TRUST IN ALL OF THEIR INSTITUTIONS SO DEMOCRACY
THEIR INSTITUTIONS SO DEMOCRACY FAILS AND DEGRADES.
FAILS AND DEGRADES. WE HAVE ELECTED OFFICIALS
WE HAVE ELECTED OFFICIALS ESSENTIALLY DOING THAT BIDDING
ESSENTIALLY DOING THAT BIDDING FOR THE KREMLIN AT THIS POINT
FOR THE KREMLIN AT THIS POINT AND TEARING DOWN DEMOCRACY
AND TEARING DOWN DEMOCRACY ACROSS THE BOARD.
ACROSS THE BOARD. THERE WILL BE A NUMBER OF PEOPLE
THERE WILL BE A NUMBER OF PEOPLE OVER THE NEXT FEW DAYS THAT WILL
OVER THE NEXT FEW DAYS THAT WILL NEVER BELIEVE THAT THAT ELECTION
NEVER BELIEVE THAT THAT ELECTION WAS GENUINE AND AUTHENTIC.
WAS GENUINE AND AUTHENTIC. NOW YOU HAVE A GOVERNOR TAKING
NOW YOU HAVE A GOVERNOR TAKING OFFICE, MAYBE IT’S SOMEONE WHO
OFFICE, MAYBE IT’S SOMEONE WHO IS STEPPING INTO OFFICE THAT
IS STEPPING INTO OFFICE THAT DOESN’T HAVE THE MANDATE OF THE
DOESN’T HAVE THE MANDATE OF THE PEOPLE.
PEOPLE. THEY ARE CONSTANTLY GOING BACK
THEY ARE CONSTANTLY GOING BACK AND HAVING TO FIGHT OVER AN
AND HAVING TO FIGHT OVER AN ELECTION THAT THEY ALREADY WON.

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