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MSNBC 8 Jan 2020

House Intel Member Himes Reacts To Iran Strike

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Lawrence O'Donnell interviews Rep. Himes on Capitol Hill with his reaction to Iran's strike on U.S. forces in Iraq. Aired on 01/07/20.


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YOU. WE ARE JOINED BY DEMOCRATIC
WE ARE JOINED BY DEMOCRATIC CONGRESSMAN BEN HIMES.
CONGRESSMAN BEN HIMES. A MEMBER OF THE HOUSE
A MEMBER OF THE HOUSE INTELLIGENCE COMMITTEE.
INTELLIGENCE COMMITTEE. MR. HIMES, WE HAVE NO
MR. HIMES, WE HAVE NO INTELLIGENCE FROM THE
INTELLIGENCE FROM THE ADMINISTRATION ON WHAT HAPPENED,
ADMINISTRATION ON WHAT HAPPENED, ABSOLUTELY NONE.
ABSOLUTELY NONE. ALL WE HAVE IS DONALD TRUMP
ALL WE HAVE IS DONALD TRUMP SAYING "ALL IS WELL, SO FAR SO
SAYING "ALL IS WELL, SO FAR SO GOOD".
GOOD". >> YEAH, THAT’S RIGHT.
>> YEAH, THAT’S RIGHT. ALTHOUGH I WILL TELL YOU IT’S
ALTHOUGH I WILL TELL YOU IT’S TOO EARLY TO KNOW FOR SURE, BUT
TOO EARLY TO KNOW FOR SURE, BUT INDICATIONS ARE THAT THE DAMAGE
INDICATIONS ARE THAT THE DAMAGE WAS NOT OVERLY SEVERE.
WAS NOT OVERLY SEVERE. I SUSPECT THAT IF WE’D HAD A
I SUSPECT THAT IF WE’D HAD A CATASTROPHE IN TERMS OF
CATASTROPHE IN TERMS OF CASUALTIES, THE PRESIDENT WOULD
CASUALTIES, THE PRESIDENT WOULD HAVE KNOWN ABOUT IT A LONG TIME
HAVE KNOWN ABOUT IT A LONG TIME AGO AND PROBABLY WOULDN’T HAVE
AGO AND PROBABLY WOULDN’T HAVE SENT OUT THE TWEET THAT HE DID.
SENT OUT THE TWEET THAT HE DID. SO I DON’T USUALLY DO THIS, AND
SO I DON’T USUALLY DO THIS, AND I’M NOT SURE I’VE EVER DONE IT
I’M NOT SURE I’VE EVER DONE IT IN THE MANY YEARS I’VE WATCHED
IN THE MANY YEARS I’VE WATCHED THE MIDDLE EAST VERY CAREFULLY,
THE MIDDLE EAST VERY CAREFULLY, BUT THIS MAY BE A REMARKABLY
BUT THIS MAY BE A REMARKABLY POSITIVE OPENING IN WHAT I
POSITIVE OPENING IN WHAT I THOUGHT WAS GOING TO BE A PERIOD
THOUGHT WAS GOING TO BE A PERIOD OF A COUPLE OF WEEKS IN WHICH
OF A COUPLE OF WEEKS IN WHICH THE CONGRESS OF THE UNITED
THE CONGRESS OF THE UNITED STATES, THE PEOPLE OF THE UNITED
STATES, THE PEOPLE OF THE UNITED STATES, AND THE PRESIDENT WERE
STATES, AND THE PRESIDENT WERE GOING TO BE INVOLVED IN A
GOING TO BE INVOLVED IN A SLIPPERY SLIDE TO WHAT COULD BE
SLIPPERY SLIDE TO WHAT COULD BE A DISASTROUS WAR.
A DISASTROUS WAR. BUT MAYBE, JUST MAYBE, LAWRENCE,
BUT MAYBE, JUST MAYBE, LAWRENCE, BASED ON THE TWEETS -- I CAN’T
BASED ON THE TWEETS -- I CAN’T BELIEVE I’M SAYING THAT -- THAT
BELIEVE I’M SAYING THAT -- THAT WE SAW FROM THE PRESIDENT OF THE
WE SAW FROM THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES AND FOREIGN
UNITED STATES AND FOREIGN MINISTER ZARIF, BOTH OF WHICH
MINISTER ZARIF, BOTH OF WHICH WERE OPTIMISTIC, BOTH OF WHICH
WERE OPTIMISTIC, BOTH OF WHICH WERE CALM AND CAREFULLY WORDED,
WERE CALM AND CAREFULLY WORDED, MAYBE BOTH SIDES STARED INTO THE
MAYBE BOTH SIDES STARED INTO THE ABYSS AND SAID, LET’S FIGURE OUT
ABYSS AND SAID, LET’S FIGURE OUT A WAY TO STEP BACK FROM WHAT
A WAY TO STEP BACK FROM WHAT COULD HAVE BEEN A VERY UGLY
COULD HAVE BEEN A VERY UGLY SITUATION FOR BOTH SIDES.
SITUATION FOR BOTH SIDES. >> SO, YOU’RE TAKING SOME
>> SO, YOU’RE TAKING SOME ENCOURAGEMENT OR HOPE IN THE
ENCOURAGEMENT OR HOPE IN THE IRANIAN FOREIGN MINISTER WHEN HE
IRANIAN FOREIGN MINISTER WHEN HE TWEETED TONIGHT, WE DO NOT SEEK
TWEETED TONIGHT, WE DO NOT SEEK ESCALATION OR WAR, BUT WILL
ESCALATION OR WAR, BUT WILL DEFEND OURSELVES AGAINST ANY
DEFEND OURSELVES AGAINST ANY AGGRESSION.
AGGRESSION. THAT LINE ABOUT, WE DO NOT SEEK
THAT LINE ABOUT, WE DO NOT SEEK ESCALATION OR WAR.
ESCALATION OR WAR. THAT’S WHAT SIGNALS THAT THIS
THAT’S WHAT SIGNALS THAT THIS COULD BE THE END?
COULD BE THE END? >> WELL, ACTUALLY, LAWRENCE, THE
>> WELL, ACTUALLY, LAWRENCE, THE WORD IN THAT TWEET THAT MATTERS
WORD IN THAT TWEET THAT MATTERS THE MOST TO ME IS THE WORD
THE MOST TO ME IS THE WORD "CONCLUDED."
"CONCLUDED." THAT’S THE THIRD WORD IN THAT
THAT’S THE THIRD WORD IN THAT TWEET, WE TOOK AND CONCLUDED.
TWEET, WE TOOK AND CONCLUDED. NOW, MAYBE THAT’S NOT TRUE.
NOW, MAYBE THAT’S NOT TRUE. THE IRANIANS ARE OFTEN NOT
THE IRANIANS ARE OFTEN NOT HONEST IN THE WAY THEY PROJECT
HONEST IN THE WAY THEY PROJECT THEMSELVES ABROAD.
THEMSELVES ABROAD. THAT WORD CONCLUDED SUGGESTS
THAT WORD CONCLUDED SUGGESTS MAYBE WHAT WE’VE SEEN, LET’S
MAYBE WHAT WE’VE SEEN, LET’S KEEP PRAYING THAT NO ONE DIED IN
KEEP PRAYING THAT NO ONE DIED IN THE ATTACK ON AL-ASSAD, BUT THAT
THE ATTACK ON AL-ASSAD, BUT THAT WORD CONCLUDED SUGGESTS THAT
WORD CONCLUDED SUGGESTS THAT THEY ARE SAYING, WE DID WHAT YOU
THEY ARE SAYING, WE DID WHAT YOU KNEW WE HAD TO DO.
KNEW WE HAD TO DO. THERE WAS NO WAY THE IRANIAN
THERE WAS NO WAY THE IRANIAN REGIME WAS NOT GOING TO
REGIME WAS NOT GOING TO RETALIATE HERE, BUT THAT NOW
RETALIATE HERE, BUT THAT NOW WE’RE DONE.
WE’RE DONE. THAT GIVES US AN OPPORTUNITY --
THAT GIVES US AN OPPORTUNITY -- AND LOOK, I’M NOT IN THE HABIT
AND LOOK, I’M NOT IN THE HABIT OF PRAISING DONALD TRUMP.
OF PRAISING DONALD TRUMP. I THINK WE’RE IN THIS SCARY
I THINK WE’RE IN THIS SCARY SITUATION BECAUSE I’M NOT SURE
SITUATION BECAUSE I’M NOT SURE HE THOUGHT THROUGH WHAT HE WAS
HE THOUGHT THROUGH WHAT HE WAS DOING.
DOING. BUT EVEN HIS TWEET, WHICH WAS
BUT EVEN HIS TWEET, WHICH WAS OPTIMISTIC, WHICH WAS UNUSUALLY
OPTIMISTIC, WHICH WAS UNUSUALLY CAREFULLY WORDED, AGAIN, THIS IS
CAREFULLY WORDED, AGAIN, THIS IS A MOMENT WHERE MAYBE WE CAN STEP
A MOMENT WHERE MAYBE WE CAN STEP BACK FROM THE ABYSS.
BACK FROM THE ABYSS. REMEMBER, LAWRENCE, THERE’S A
REMEMBER, LAWRENCE, THERE’S A THOUSAND SCENARIOS FAR, FAR
THOUSAND SCENARIOS FAR, FAR WORSE -- AGAIN, I WANT TO SAY WE
WORSE -- AGAIN, I WANT TO SAY WE DON’T KNOW THAT EVERYONE IS SAFE
DON’T KNOW THAT EVERYONE IS SAFE IN AL-ASSAD.
IN AL-ASSAD. BUT LOOK, THE IRANIANS COULD
BUT LOOK, THE IRANIANS COULD HAVE COMMITTED AN ATROCIOUS
HAVE COMMITTED AN ATROCIOUS TERRORIST ATTACK IN A WESTERN
TERRORIST ATTACK IN A WESTERN EUROPEAN CITY.
EUROPEAN CITY. THEY COULD HAVE ATTACKED ISRAEL.
THEY COULD HAVE ATTACKED ISRAEL. THEY COULD HAVE ATTACKED THE
THEY COULD HAVE ATTACKED THE FIFTH FLEET WE HAVE IN BAHRAIN.
FIFTH FLEET WE HAVE IN BAHRAIN. THAT DID NOT HAPPEN.
THAT DID NOT HAPPEN. AGAIN, I’M NOT USED TO HAVING

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