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MSNBC 22 May 2020

'Flooding The Zone With Excrement': Schiff Explains Trump's Flynn Strategy

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Rep. Adam Schiff, chairman of the House Intelligence Committee, explains that the Trump administration's real goal in spinning a befuddling narrative around Mike Flynn is in keeping with a political strategy of distraction as articulated by Steve Bannon. Aired on 5/22/2020.


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THE WAY TO THE SUPREME COURT TO
FIGHT TRANSPARENCY TELLS YOU HOW
MUCH CO-NFIDENCE THEY HAVE IN
UNDER LYING MATERIALS.
>> WHAT DO YOU MAKE OF THIS
PUBLIC STATEMENT IN RESPONSE TO
YOUR REQUEST FROM RICK GRENELL
WHICH HE SEEMED TO INDICATE
MAYBE THE TRANSCRIPTS WILL BE
RELEASED OR SOMETHING WILL BE
RELEASED?
I MEAN, I REMEMBER SALLY YATES
WHO WAS ACTING ATTORNEY GENERAL
AT THE TIME, ONE OF THE PEOPLE
WHO WENT UP TO CAPITOL HILL TO
TELL THE WHITE HOUSE BY THE WAY,
YOUR NATIONAL SECURITY ADVISOR
IS IN A POSITION TO BE
BLACKMAILED BY THE GOVERNMENT.
HE’S LYING ABOUT HIS CONTACT
WITH THEM AND THE RUSSIANS KNOW
ABOUT IT AND THAT’S A BAD
POSITION TO BE IN.
YOU SHOULD DO SOMETHING ABOUT
IT.
WHAT SHE SAID ABOUT THAT WARNING
TO THE WHITE HOUSE WAS THAT
FLYNN’S UNDERLYING CONDUCT WAS
PROBLEMATIC.
IT WAS NOT JUST THAT HE WAS
LYING ABOUT IT BUT WHAT HE WAS
LYING ABOUT, WHAT HE WAS
ACTUALLY DOING WITH THE RUSSIANS
WAS OF A CONCERN SEEMINGLY IN A
COUNTER INTELLIGENCE SENSE.
AND SO I -- THAT MAKES ME WANT
TO KNOW WHAT MIKE FLYNN WAS
DOING IN TERMS OF HIS UNDERLYING
CONTEXT AND MAKES ME WANT TO
KNOW WHAT HE WAS SAYING TO THE
RUSSIAN GOVERNMENT.
DO YOU HAVE THE SENSE FROM RICK
GRENE LERKS
GRENELL OR ADMINISTRATION THE
ACTUAL TRANSCRIPT OF WHAT FLYNN
SAID MIGHT ULTIMATELY COME OUT.
>> IT MIGHT COME OUT IF THEY
FEEL COMPELLED DO SO.
I THINK YOU’RE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT
ABOUT THE CONCERN THAT SALLY
YATES ARTICULATED.
HERE YOU HAVE THE INCOMING
NATIONAL SECURITY ADVISOR FOR
THE UNITED STATES LYING TO THE
VICE PRESIDENT ABOUT A
CONVERSATION HE HAD WITH THE
RUSSIAN AMBASSADOR.
THE VICE PRESIDENT MISLEADING
THE AMERICAN PEOPLE AND THE
RUSSIANS BECAUSE THEY’RE ON THE
OTHER SIDE OF THE PHONE CALL,
THEY KNOW THAT HE’S LIED AND
THEY CAN COMPROMISE HIM.
THAT IS CLASSIC COUNTER
INTELLIGENCE NIGHTMARE MATERIAL.
SO YES, THERE WAS A PROFOUND
REASON TO INTERVIEW FLYNN, WHICH
IS WHY THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT
ARGUING FOR THE DISMISSAL OF THE
CASE IS DISINGENUOUS BUT WHERE
RICK GRENELL IS COMING FROM,
HERE IS THE PROBLEM WITH WHAT
HE’S TRYING TO DO.
HE DECLASSIFYIES THESE UNMASKING
REQUESTS AND THERE IS AN
UNPUBLISHED REPORT FLYNN’S NAME
MAY NEVER HAVE BEEN MASKED TO
BEGIN WITH.
THAT REALLY BLOWS A BIG HOLE IN
WHAT GRENELL IS TRYING TO DO
WHICH IS ESTABLISH SOME THEORY
THEY WERE TRYING TO UNMASK FLYNN
SO THEY COULD, I DON’T KNOW,
PERSECUTE FLYNN AND NOW THERE
ARE PUBLIC REPORTS HE WASN’T
EVEN MASKED TO BEGIN WITH IN
THAT CALL WITH THE RUSSIANS. SO THIS IS THE PROBLEM I THINK
SO THIS IS THE PROBLEM I THINK
WHEN YOU’RE TRYING TO WEAEVE AN
ALTERNATE HISTORY.
FACTS KEEP GETTING IN THE WAY.
AT THE END OF THE DAY WHAT RICK
GRENELL IS TRYING TO DO TRYING
TO RUN ANY PARTISAN AGENCY IN MY
LIFETIME, WHAT HE’S TRYING TO DO
IS THE STEVE BANNON MODEL OF
JUST LET
FLOODING THE ZONE.
THAT’S ESSENTIALLY WHAT RICK
GRENELL IS TRYING TO DO AND BILL
BARR IS TRYING TO DO AND THE
COUNTER NARRATIVE IS TRYING TO
DO AND THAT IS SO MUDDY THE
WATERS THAT PEOPLE CAN’T BURY
OUT THE TRUTH ANYMORE AND THERE
IS NOTHING MORE DECEMBER SPRUKTS
DEMOCRACY AS THERE IS NO SUCH
THING AS TRUTH ANYMORE.
>> CONGRESSMAN ADAM SCHIFF OF
THE GREAT STATE OF CALIFORNIA,
CHAIRMAN OF THE HOUSE
INTELLIGENCE COMMITTEE, SIR,
THANKS VERY MUCH FOR BEING WITH
US TONIGHT.
I APOLOGIZE FOR JUST SORT OF
DUMPING ON YOU MY SENSE THAT
THIS IS JUST REALLY WEIRD AND I
DON’T GET IT.
THAT THE NOT USUALLY THE WAY I
CONDUCT AN INTERVIEW.
IN THIS CASE, I AM BAMBOOZLED BY
THEIR BEHAVIOR BUT THEY MADE
SENSE OF IT.
>> YOU’RE SO RIGHT.
IT HAS THAT ALICE IN WONDERLAND
QUALITY OF GOING DOWN THE RABBIT
HOLE.
IT’S HARD TO WRAP YOUR HEAD
AROUND.
>> EXACTLY. EXACTLY.
FLOODING THE ZONE WITH EX

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