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MSNBC 2 Dec 2019

Ex-FBI Lawyer Speaks Out After Trump Attack That 'Broke The Camel's Back'

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Former FBI lawyer Lisa Page broke her silence to Molly Jong-Fast in an exclusive interview with the Daily Beast after enduring years of public attacks by Donald Trump on Twitter and at his rallies. Molly Jong-Fast joins Lawrence O'Donnell to talk about her interview. Aired on 12/02/19.


Sen. Bernie Sanders talks to NBC's Harry Smith about the heart attack he suffered, how he knew something was wrong, and why his condition wasn't made public for several days. Sanders said he plans to take part in the next debate and run a vigorous campaign.
'Glad this is finally over.' Donald Trump Jr. speaks out after senate panel inquiry.
Chief Petty Officer Eddie Gallagher shares his message for the president.
Roughly two years after her anti-Donald Trump text messages were released to Congress and she became a public target of the President's ire, Lisa Page said it's time to break her silence.
The embattled former FBI lawyer resurfaced her Twitter account, tweeting, "I'm done being quiet," along with a link to a new interview with The Daily Beast. In that interview, Page called Trump's attacks "sickening" and said she chose to speak out after the President did a lewd impression of her text exchanges with former FBI agent Peter Strzok, with whom she had an affair, during a Minnesota rally in October. The President has frequently criticized the series of texts in which Page and Strzok disparaged the then-presidential candidate.

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>>> HERE’S SOMETHING NO ONE IN
>>> HERE’S SOMETHING NO ONE IN THE TRUMP FAMILY HAS EVER
THE TRUMP FAMILY HAS EVER THOUGHT OR SAID.
THOUGHT OR SAID. FROM VERY EARLY ON, I KNEW I
FROM VERY EARLY ON, I KNEW I WANTED TO WORK FOR THE
WANTED TO WORK FOR THE GOVERNMENT AND MAKE THE WORLD A
GOVERNMENT AND MAKE THE WORLD A BETTER PLACE.
BETTER PLACE. LISA PAGE SAID THAT IN HER VERY
LISA PAGE SAID THAT IN HER VERY FIRST PUBLIC COMMENTS ABOUT HER
FIRST PUBLIC COMMENTS ABOUT HER YEARS OF BEING ATTACKED BY THE
YEARS OF BEING ATTACKED BY THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES.
PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES. FORMER FBI LAWYER LISA PAGE
FORMER FBI LAWYER LISA PAGE BROKE HER PUBLIC SILENCE WITH
BROKE HER PUBLIC SILENCE WITH OUR NEXT GUEST, MOLLY JONG-FAST
OUR NEXT GUEST, MOLLY JONG-FAST IN THAT INTERVIEW LISA PAGE SAID
IN THAT INTERVIEW LISA PAGE SAID SOMETHING THAT NO ONE HAS EVER
SOMETHING THAT NO ONE HAS EVER SAID ABOUT ANY PRESIDENT OF THE
SAID ABOUT ANY PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES UNTIL NOW.
UNITED STATES UNTIL NOW. HONESTLY, HIS DEMEANING FAKE
HONESTLY, HIS DEMEANING FAKE ORGASM WAS REALLY THE STRAW THAT
ORGASM WAS REALLY THE STRAW THAT BROKE THE CAMEL’S BACK.
BROKE THE CAMEL’S BACK. THIS IS WHAT LISA PAGE WAS
THIS IS WHAT LISA PAGE WAS REFERRING TO.
REFERRING TO. >> LISA PAGE.
>> LISA PAGE. WHAT A GROUP.
WHAT A GROUP. SHE’S GOING TO WIN.
SHE’S GOING TO WIN. 10 MILLION TO 1 SHE’S GOING TO
10 MILLION TO 1 SHE’S GOING TO WIN, I’M TELLING YOU, PETER,
WIN, I’M TELLING YOU, PETER, SHE’S GOING TO WIN, PETER, OH I
SHE’S GOING TO WIN, PETER, OH I LOVE YOU SO MUCH.
LOVE YOU SO MUCH. I LOVE YOU, PETER!
I LOVE YOU, PETER! I LOVE YOU TOO, LISA!
I LOVE YOU TOO, LISA! LISA, I LOVE YOU, LISA, LISA, OH
LISA, I LOVE YOU, LISA, LISA, OH GOD I LOVE YOU, LISA --
GOD I LOVE YOU, LISA -- >> AND THAT’S THE MOMENT THAT
>> AND THAT’S THE MOMENT THAT CHANGED EVERYTHING FOR LISA
CHANGED EVERYTHING FOR LISA PAGE, ACCORDING TO MOLLY
PAGE, ACCORDING TO MOLLY JONG-FAST’S REPORT IN "THE DAILY
JONG-FAST’S REPORT IN "THE DAILY BEAST."
BEAST." SHE SAID, I HAD STAYED QUIET FOR
SHE SAID, I HAD STAYED QUIET FOR YEARS HOPING IT WOULD FADE AWAY,
YEARS HOPING IT WOULD FADE AWAY, BUT INSTEAD IT GOT WORSE, IT HAD
BUT INSTEAD IT GOT WORSE, IT HAD BEEN SO HARD NOT TO DEFEND
BEEN SO HARD NOT TO DEFEND MYSELF, TO LET PEOPLE WHO HATE
MYSELF, TO LET PEOPLE WHO HATE ME CONTROL THE NARRATIVE, I
ME CONTROL THE NARRATIVE, I DECIDED TO TAKE MY POWER BACK.
DECIDED TO TAKE MY POWER BACK. JOINING US IS MOLLY JONG-FAST,
JOINING US IS MOLLY JONG-FAST, WHOSE ARTICLE IN "THE DAILY
WHOSE ARTICLE IN "THE DAILY BEAST" IS ENTITLED "LISA PAGE
BEAST" IS ENTITLED "LISA PAGE SPEAKS."
SPEAKS." MOLLY, THANK YOU FOR JOINING US.
MOLLY, THANK YOU FOR JOINING US. IT’S AN EXTRAORDINARY PIECE.
IT’S AN EXTRAORDINARY PIECE. WE’VE BEEN WONDERING ABOUT THIS
WE’VE BEEN WONDERING ABOUT THIS WOMAN FOR YEARS AS THE PRESIDENT
WOMAN FOR YEARS AS THE PRESIDENT ATTACKS HER ON A DAILY BASIS.
ATTACKS HER ON A DAILY BASIS. AND HERE SHE IS FINALLY TELLING
AND HERE SHE IS FINALLY TELLING US NOT ONLY HOW SHE’S FELT ABOUT
US NOT ONLY HOW SHE’S FELT ABOUT IT, BUT WHY SHE CAME OUT, THAT
IT, BUT WHY SHE CAME OUT, THAT MOMENT, JUST IN OCTOBER, WHEN
MOMENT, JUST IN OCTOBER, WHEN THE VULGARIAN IN CHIEF DOES
THE VULGARIAN IN CHIEF DOES SOMETHING WE’VE NEVER SEEN
SOMETHING WE’VE NEVER SEEN BEFORE.
BEFORE. >> IT WAS AN AMAZING MOMENT TO
>> IT WAS AN AMAZING MOMENT TO SIT WITH HER TWO WEEKS LATER AND
SIT WITH HER TWO WEEKS LATER AND TO HEAR HER TELL ME THAT THAT
TO HEAR HER TELL ME THAT THAT WAS THE THING THAT MADE HER
WAS THE THING THAT MADE HER DECIDE SHE WAS GOING TO TAKE IT
DECIDE SHE WAS GOING TO TAKE IT BACK.
BACK. I MEAN, I FELT VERY HONORED TO
I MEAN, I FELT VERY HONORED TO GET TO BE A PART OF THAT MOMENT.
GET TO BE A PART OF THAT MOMENT. >> AND JUST FOR THE RECORD, FOR
>> AND JUST FOR THE RECORD, FOR THE AUDIENCE, HER OFFENSE
THE AUDIENCE, HER OFFENSE AGAINST DONALD TRUMP IS THAT SHE
AGAINST DONALD TRUMP IS THAT SHE WAS, IN 2016, DURING THE
WAS, IN 2016, DURING THE PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN, WATCHING
PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN, WATCHING THE MOST INCOMPETENT, LEAST
THE MOST INCOMPETENT, LEAST INFORMED PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE
INFORMED PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE IN HISTORY, SHE WATCHED HIM WITH
IN HISTORY, SHE WATCHED HIM WITH FEAR, LIKE MOST OF AMERICANS,
FEAR, LIKE MOST OF AMERICANS, AND LIKE MOST AMERICANS, SHE
AND LIKE MOST AMERICANS, SHE DIDN’T WANT HIM TO BE PRESIDENT.
DIDN’T WANT HIM TO BE PRESIDENT. AND SHE PRIVATELY COMMUNICATED
AND SHE PRIVATELY COMMUNICATED THAT WITH OTHERS AND TEXTS OF
THAT WITH OTHERS AND TEXTS OF THAT PRIVATE COMMUNICATION
THAT PRIVATE COMMUNICATION EVENTUALLY BECAME PUBLIC,
EVENTUALLY BECAME PUBLIC, INCLUDING PRIVATE COMMUNICATION
INCLUDING PRIVATE COMMUNICATION WITH HER -- A FORMER LOVER OF
WITH HER -- A FORMER LOVER OF HERS AT THE FBI.
HERS AT THE FBI. THEY HAD A RIGHT TO THAT PRIVATE
THEY HAD A RIGHT TO THAT PRIVATE COMMUNICATION, THEY HAD A RIGHT
COMMUNICATION, THEY HAD A RIGHT TO THE PERSONAL VIEW THAT DONALD
TO THE PERSONAL VIEW THAT DONALD TRUMP SHOULD NOT BE PRESIDENT,
TRUMP SHOULD NOT BE PRESIDENT, WOULD BE A BAD PRESIDENT, THEY
WOULD BE A BAD PRESIDENT, THEY WERE COMPLETELY RIGHT ABOUT
WERE COMPLETELY RIGHT ABOUT THAT.
THAT. >> RIGHT.
>> RIGHT. >> AND DONALD TRUMP HAS ATTACKED
>> AND DONALD TRUMP HAS ATTACKED HER AND OTHERS AS IF THEY HAD NO
HER AND OTHERS AS IF THEY HAD NO RIGHT TO EVER THINK THAT HE
RIGHT TO EVER THINK THAT HE WOULD BE A BAD PRESIDENT.
WOULD BE A BAD PRESIDENT. >> WELL, THE ONLY POSSIBLE LAW
>> WELL, THE ONLY POSSIBLE LAW THAT THEY COULD HAVE BROKEN
THAT THEY COULD HAVE BROKEN WOULD BE THE HATCH ACT.
WOULD BE THE HATCH ACT. AND THEY THEY DIDN’T BREAK THE H
AND THEY THEY DIDN’T BREAK THE H ACT.
ACT. BUT IRONICALLY, KELLYANNE CONWAY
BUT IRONICALLY, KELLYANNE CONWAY BREAKS THE HATCH ACT ALL THE
BREAKS THE HATCH ACT ALL THE TIME.
TIME. >> HE TAKES.
>> HE TAKES. >> SO THEY’RE ALWAYS OBSESSED
>> SO THEY’RE ALWAYS OBSESSED WITH SAYING THAT PEOPLE ARE
WITH SAYING THAT PEOPLE ARE DOING THE THINGS THAT THEY’RE
DOING THE THINGS THAT THEY’RE ACTUALLY DOING.
ACTUALLY DOING. >> HATCH ACT IS PUBLICLY
>> HATCH ACT IS PUBLICLY ADVOCATING FOR A CLIENT WHICH
ADVOCATING FOR A CLIENT WHICH GOVERNMENT WORKERS CAN’T , DO
GOVERNMENT WORKERS CAN’T , DO WHICH SPERMSZ DO.
WHICH SPERMSZ DO. AND THEN THE ISSUE BECOMES WAS
AND THEN THE ISSUE BECOMES WAS HER JUDGMENT IN ANY OF THE
HER JUDGMENT IN ANY OF THE ELEMENTS INVOLVING THE
ELEMENTS INVOLVING THE INVESTIGATION OF THE RUSSIAN
INVESTIGATION OF THE RUSSIAN INTERFERENCE IN OUR ELECTION,
INTERFERENCE IN OUR ELECTION, WAS IT COLORED BY THE FACT THAT
WAS IT COLORED BY THE FACT THAT SHE DIDN’T WANT DONALD TRUMP TO
SHE DIDN’T WANT DONALD TRUMP TO BE PRESIDENT AND WE HAVE NO
BE PRESIDENT AND WE HAVE NO EVIDENCE OF THAT?
EVIDENCE OF THAT? SHE’S BEEN TOTALLY EXONERATED.
SHE’S BEEN TOTALLY EXONERATED. THIS IG REPORT WILL EXONERATE
THIS IG REPORT WILL EXONERATE HER FURTHER BECAUSE WE’VE SEEN
HER FURTHER BECAUSE WE’VE SEEN IT IN THE LINKS.
IT IN THE LINKS. WHY DID THE PRESIDENT -- WHY
WHY DID THE PRESIDENT -- WHY WERE THESE TEXT MESSAGES LEAKED
WERE THESE TEXT MESSAGES LEAKED AND HOW DOES THE PRESIDENT USE
AND HOW DOES THE PRESIDENT USE WOMEN TO DISTRACT?
WOMEN TO DISTRACT? HOW DOES HE GET HIS BASE ALL
HOW DOES HE GET HIS BASE ALL GINNED UP WITH MISOGYNY, AND WE
GINNED UP WITH MISOGYNY, AND WE SEE IT AGAIN AND AGAIN AND
SEE IT AGAIN AND AGAIN AND AGAIN, YOU KNOW.
AGAIN, YOU KNOW. >> IT ALMOST SEEMS LIKE HE WOULD
>> IT ALMOST SEEMS LIKE HE WOULD HAVE TO INVENT A LISA PAGE IF HE
HAVE TO INVENT A LISA PAGE IF HE DIDN’T HAVE ONE.
DIDN’T HAVE ONE. >> OR A CHRISTINE BLASEY FORD OR
>> OR A CHRISTINE BLASEY FORD OR MARIE YOVANOVITCH.
MARIE YOVANOVITCH. IT’S JUST THIS CONTINUAL WOMEN
IT’S JUST THIS CONTINUAL WOMEN THAT HE FINDS TO USE, TO ABUSE.
THAT HE FINDS TO USE, TO ABUSE. >> AND YOU SEE -- AND YOUR
>> AND YOU SEE -- AND YOUR REPORTING INDICATES THAT FOR
REPORTING INDICATES THAT FOR DONALD TRUMP THERE’S EXTRA FUEL
DONALD TRUMP THERE’S EXTRA FUEL IN THIS WHEN IT’S A WOMAN HE’S
IN THIS WHEN IT’S A WOMAN HE’S ATTACKING.
ATTACKING. >> YEAH.
>> YEAH. AND I THINK THERE’S THIS WEIRD
AND I THINK THERE’S THIS WEIRD SEXUAL ANGLE, LIKE THE LOVER,
SEXUAL ANGLE, LIKE THE LOVER, LISA PAGE.
LISA PAGE. BUT HE GETS MORE INVOLVED IN THE
BUT HE GETS MORE INVOLVED IN THE NARRATIVE WHEN IT’S A WOMAN.
NARRATIVE WHEN IT’S A WOMAN. I AM ALWAYS SHOCKED.
I AM ALWAYS SHOCKED. LIKE, WE SAW WITH E. JEAN
LIKE, WE SAW WITH E. JEAN CARROLL.
CARROLL. I WROTE ABOUT HER.
I WROTE ABOUT HER. HE JUST WENT AFTER HER.
HE JUST WENT AFTER HER. THIS IS MY FAVORITE TRUMP THINGS
THIS IS MY FAVORITE TRUMP THINGS HE DOES.
HE DOES. I MEAN NO DISRESPECT.
I MEAN NO DISRESPECT. >> HE USES THAT PHRASE.
>> HE USES THAT PHRASE. >> RIGHT.
>> RIGHT. THAT DOESN’T NEGATE THE
THAT DOESN’T NEGATE THE DISRESPECT.
DISRESPECT. >> WHAT DID YOU FIND -- WHO IS
>> WHAT DID YOU FIND -- WHO IS THIS WOMAN, LISA PAGE, WHO YOU
THIS WOMAN, LISA PAGE, WHO YOU SPENT TIME WITH?
SPENT TIME WITH? >> SHE’S AMAZING.
>> SHE’S AMAZING. SHE’S COMPLETELY SELF-MADE.
SHE’S COMPLETELY SELF-MADE. SHE WAS ONE OF THE ONLY WOMEN --
SHE WAS ONE OF THE ONLY WOMEN -- SHE WAS THE ONLY WOMAN IN HER
SHE WAS THE ONLY WOMAN IN HER DOJ HONORS COURSE.
DOJ HONORS COURSE. SHE’S JUST A VERY EXTRAORDINARY,
SHE’S JUST A VERY EXTRAORDINARY, SMART WOMAN.
SMART WOMAN. ANDY McCABE THOUGHT -- HE REALLY
ANDY McCABE THOUGHT -- HE REALLY TRUSTED HER WITH EVERYTHING.
TRUSTED HER WITH EVERYTHING. AND SHE’S A LAWYER AND SHE’S
AND SHE’S A LAWYER AND SHE’S VERY LAWYERLY.
VERY LAWYERLY. SHE SPEAKS JUST -- SHE’S JUST
SHE SPEAKS JUST -- SHE’S JUST REALLY A GREAT PERSON.
REALLY A GREAT PERSON. >> "THE DAILY BEAST" HAS THE
>> "THE DAILY BEAST" HAS THE PIECE.
PIECE. IT IS SUCH AN HONOR TO HAVE YOU
IT IS SUCH AN HONOR TO HAVE YOU HERE.
HERE. I’VE BEEN FOLLOWING YOUR

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