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MSNBC 21 Feb 2019

Coast Guard Lt. Allegedly Wanted To Carry Out Terror Attack

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Coast Guard Lieutenant Christopher Hasson will appear in federal court today. He's accused of making a list of prominent Americans he wanted to kill. Stephanie Ruhle is joined by NBC's Hans Nichols and former FBI Special Agent Michael German to discuss the chilling details the FBI uncovered.


The FBI says police and federal agents foiled a plot to stage a truck attack at a busy tourist location near Washington, D.C. They say the man behind it wanted to emulate the deadly 2016 truck attack in Nice, France.
The Coast Guard said it has rescued hundreds since Hurricane Dorian began; crew members have used a pickup truck as an ambulance and carried many to safety.
Federal prosecutors say Coast Guard Lt. Christopher Paul Hasson allegedly planned to kill top Democratic lawmakers and media personalities; national security correspondent Jennifer Griffin reports.
Data found on the computer of Lt. Christopher Paul Hasson reveals the Coast Guard officer plotted to carry out a biological attack and target Democrat lawmakers without security; Peter Doocy has the details.

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>>> WELCOME BACK.
>>> WELCOME BACK. A COAST GUARD LIEUTENANT IS IN
A COAST GUARD LIEUTENANT IS IN FEDERAL COURT RIGHT NOW FACING
FEDERAL COURT RIGHT NOW FACING DRUG AND WEAPONS CHARGES AFTER
DRUG AND WEAPONS CHARGES AFTER FBI OFFICIALS SAY HE WAS LIVING
FBI OFFICIALS SAY HE WAS LIVING A SECRET LIFE AND HE APPEARED TO
A SECRET LIFE AND HE APPEARED TO BE A DOMESTIC TERRORIST.
BE A DOMESTIC TERRORIST. FEDERAL PROSECUTORS SAY
FEDERAL PROSECUTORS SAY LIEUTENANT CHRISTOPHER PAUL
LIEUTENANT CHRISTOPHER PAUL HASSON ASSEMBLED A LIST OF 15
HASSON ASSEMBLED A LIST OF 15 POTENTIAL TARGETS, INCLUDING
POTENTIAL TARGETS, INCLUDING PROMINENT DEMOCRATS AND TV HOSTS
PROMINENT DEMOCRATS AND TV HOSTS THAT HE CONSIDERED TO BE
THAT HE CONSIDERED TO BE TRAITORS.
TRAITORS. THE FBI SAYS WHEN AGENTS
THE FBI SAYS WHEN AGENTS SEARCHED HIS MARYLAND HOME, THEY
SEARCHED HIS MARYLAND HOME, THEY FOUND 15 FIREARMS, HANDGUNS AND
FOUND 15 FIREARMS, HANDGUNS AND RIFLES, PLUS OVER 1,000 ROUNDS
RIFLES, PLUS OVER 1,000 ROUNDS OF AMMUNITION.
OF AMMUNITION. LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICIALS SAY
LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICIALS SAY THERE WAS NO ACTUAL ATTACK
THERE WAS NO ACTUAL ATTACK PLANNED.
PLANNED. PROSECUTORS SAY HASSON INTENDED
PROSECUTORS SAY HASSON INTENDED TO MURDER INNOCENT CIVILIANS ON
TO MURDER INNOCENT CIVILIANS ON A SCALE RARELY SEEN IN THIS
A SCALE RARELY SEEN IN THIS COUNTRY.
COUNTRY. NBC’S HANS NICHOLS IS OUTSIDE
NBC’S HANS NICHOLS IS OUTSIDE THE COURT HOUSE IN GREEN BELT,
THE COURT HOUSE IN GREEN BELT, MARYLAND.
MARYLAND. ALSO WITH ME, MICHAEL GERMAN,
ALSO WITH ME, MICHAEL GERMAN, WHO’S A FORMER FBI UNDERCOVER
WHO’S A FORMER FBI UNDERCOVER AGENT.
AGENT. I WANT YOU TO PAY ATTENTION TO
I WANT YOU TO PAY ATTENTION TO THIS.
THIS. HE INFILTRATED WHITE SUPREMACIST
HE INFILTRATED WHITE SUPREMACIST GROUPS SO HE TRULY UNDERSTANDS
GROUPS SO HE TRULY UNDERSTANDS HOW THEY WORK AND HE’S A FELLOW
HOW THEY WORK AND HE’S A FELLOW AT THE BRENNAN JUSTICE.
AT THE BRENNAN JUSTICE. HANS, WHAT’S HAPPENING IN COURT
HANS, WHAT’S HAPPENING IN COURT AND WHAT CHARGES IS HE FACING?
AND WHAT CHARGES IS HE FACING? >> Reporter: HE’S FACING TWO
>> Reporter: HE’S FACING TWO CHARGES DEALING WITH THE WEAPONS
CHARGES DEALING WITH THE WEAPONS AND AS WELL AS CHARGES ON
AND AS WELL AS CHARGES ON NARCOTICS.
NARCOTICS. PROSECUTORS ARE MAKING THE CASE
PROSECUTORS ARE MAKING THE CASE THAT HE’S A FLIGHT RISK AND
THAT HE’S A FLIGHT RISK AND DANGER TO THE COMMUNITY AND
DANGER TO THE COMMUNITY AND THAT’S WHY WE KNOW ALL THESE
THAT’S WHY WE KNOW ALL THESE DETAILS ABOUT WHAT HE’S
DETAILS ABOUT WHAT HE’S ALLEGEDLY THINKING ABOUT.
ALLEGEDLY THINKING ABOUT. NOW, WHAT THE PROSECUTORS HAVE
NOW, WHAT THE PROSECUTORS HAVE DONE, STEPHANIE, IS THEY HAVE
DONE, STEPHANIE, IS THEY HAVE TAKEN THIS MANIFESTO, THIS
TAKEN THIS MANIFESTO, THIS 15,000 PAGE MANIFESTO FROM THAT
15,000 PAGE MANIFESTO FROM THAT NORWEGIAN EXTREMIST AND THEY’RE
NORWEGIAN EXTREMIST AND THEY’RE SAYING THAT MR. HASSON WAS
SAYING THAT MR. HASSON WAS CLOSELY FOLLOWING THAT AND THAT
CLOSELY FOLLOWING THAT AND THAT THEY NEEDED TO INTERVENE.
THEY NEEDED TO INTERVENE. SO WHAT WE HAVE TODAY IS AN
SO WHAT WE HAVE TODAY IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR MR. HASSON’S
OPPORTUNITY FOR MR. HASSON’S LAWYERS, HE HAS A
LAWYERS, HE HAS A COURT-APPOINTED LAWYER, TO MAKE
COURT-APPOINTED LAWYER, TO MAKE THE CASE THAT HE SHOULD BE SET
THE CASE THAT HE SHOULD BE SET FREE.
FREE. OTHERWISE WE COULD GET
OTHERWISE WE COULD GET POTENTIALLY ADDITIONAL CHARGES.
POTENTIALLY ADDITIONAL CHARGES. THE PHOTOGRAPHERS ARE CLICKING
THE PHOTOGRAPHERS ARE CLICKING AWAY HERE.
AWAY HERE. THEY MIGHT BE DOING THAT TO BE
THEY MIGHT BE DOING THAT TO BE TESTING THEIR SHUTTER SPEEDS,
TESTING THEIR SHUTTER SPEEDS, BUT WE COULD GET SOMETHING HERE
BUT WE COULD GET SOMETHING HERE ANY MOMENT.
ANY MOMENT. STEPHANIE.
STEPHANIE. >> MICHAEL, WALK ME THROUGH
>> MICHAEL, WALK ME THROUGH THIS.
THIS. YOU ARE A FORMER UNDERCOVER FBI
YOU ARE A FORMER UNDERCOVER FBI AGENT.
AGENT. HOW WOULD THE FBI TRACK THIS GUY
HOW WOULD THE FBI TRACK THIS GUY DOWN?
DOWN? >> IT’S UNCLEAR RIGHT NOW.
>> IT’S UNCLEAR RIGHT NOW. IT’S STILL VERY EARLY, AND THE
IT’S STILL VERY EARLY, AND THE MOTION TO DETAIN HIM PRESTYLE IS
MOTION TO DETAIN HIM PRESTYLE IS REALLY THE FIRST EVIDENCE THAT
REALLY THE FIRST EVIDENCE THAT WE’VE SEEN IN THE PUBLIC ABOUT
WE’VE SEEN IN THE PUBLIC ABOUT HIS PLANS.
HIS PLANS. AND IT’S INTERESTING LOOKING AT
AND IT’S INTERESTING LOOKING AT THAT DOCUMENT, BECAUSE IT’S NOT
THAT DOCUMENT, BECAUSE IT’S NOT CLEAR HE WAS ACTUALLY IN
CLEAR HE WAS ACTUALLY IN COMMUNICATION WITH ANY
COMMUNICATION WITH ANY CO-CONSPIRATORS.
CO-CONSPIRATORS. MOST OF THE DOCUMENTS WERE
MOST OF THE DOCUMENTS WERE THINGS THAT HE HAD E-MAILED
THINGS THAT HE HAD E-MAILED HIMSELF OR THINGS THAT HE HAD
HIMSELF OR THINGS THAT HE HAD DRAFTED AND DOCUMENTS THAT WERE
DRAFTED AND DOCUMENTS THAT WERE ON HIS COMPUTER RATHER THAN
ON HIS COMPUTER RATHER THAN ACTUAL E-MAILS TO OTHER PEOPLE
ACTUAL E-MAILS TO OTHER PEOPLE WITHIN THE WHITE SUPREMACIST
WITHIN THE WHITE SUPREMACIST MOVEMENT OR OTHER
MOVEMENT OR OTHER CO-CONSPIRATORS.
CO-CONSPIRATORS. OBVIOUSLY WHAT HE HAD DONE IS
OBVIOUSLY WHAT HE HAD DONE IS STARTED COLLECTING A LOT OF
STARTED COLLECTING A LOT OF WEAPONS AND COMBINED THAT WITH
WEAPONS AND COMBINED THAT WITH PURCHASING NARCOTICS OVER THE
PURCHASING NARCOTICS OVER THE INTERNET.
INTERNET. CLEARLY I CAN UNDERSTAND WHY THE
CLEARLY I CAN UNDERSTAND WHY THE FBI AND THE COAST GUARD
FBI AND THE COAST GUARD DETERMINED IT WAS GETTING TO A
DETERMINED IT WAS GETTING TO A DANGEROUS POINT WHERE THEY
DANGEROUS POINT WHERE THEY NEEDED TO TAKE ACTION.
NEEDED TO TAKE ACTION. >> HOW DO THESE WHITE
>> HOW DO THESE WHITE SUPREMACIST GROUPS WORK?
SUPREMACIST GROUPS WORK? HOW DO THEY OPERATE?
HOW DO THEY OPERATE? I KNOW YOU’VE INFILTRATED SOME.
I KNOW YOU’VE INFILTRATED SOME. GIVE US A BETTER PICTURE OF SORT
GIVE US A BETTER PICTURE OF SORT OF THE DOMESTIC TERRORISM
OF THE DOMESTIC TERRORISM NETWORK.
NETWORK. >> SO IT’S MUCH BROADER THAN I
>> SO IT’S MUCH BROADER THAN I THINK PEOPLE UNDERSTAND.
THINK PEOPLE UNDERSTAND. I MEAN OBVIOUSLY THERE’S A LOT
I MEAN OBVIOUSLY THERE’S A LOT OF CONCERN IN THIS INSTANCE
OF CONCERN IN THIS INSTANCE BECAUSE HERE WAS SOMEBODY WHO
BECAUSE HERE WAS SOMEBODY WHO WAS A COAST GUARD OFFICER WHO
WAS A COAST GUARD OFFICER WHO MAY HAVE HAD THESE IDEAS OR
MAY HAVE HAD THESE IDEAS OR INCLINATIONS AND THAT HAD
INCLINATIONS AND THAT HAD ACTUALLY WRITTEN OUT A PLAN TO
ACTUALLY WRITTEN OUT A PLAN TO DO HARM.
DO HARM. BUT THEY’RE INFILTRATED
BUT THEY’RE INFILTRATED THROUGHOUT SOCIETY.
THROUGHOUT SOCIETY. THEY’RE IN CORPORATE BOARD
THEY’RE IN CORPORATE BOARD ROOMS, THEY’RE EVERYWHERE.
ROOMS, THEY’RE EVERYWHERE. THAT WAS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT
THAT WAS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT SURPRISED ME WHEN I WAS
SURPRISED ME WHEN I WAS INTRODUCED TO THE MOVEMENT AS AN
INTRODUCED TO THE MOVEMENT AS AN UNDERCOVER AGENT, TO REALIZE
UNDERCOVER AGENT, TO REALIZE THAT THESE ARE EVERYDAY PEOPLE
THAT THESE ARE EVERYDAY PEOPLE YOU WOULDN’T REALLY BLINK AT IF
YOU WOULDN’T REALLY BLINK AT IF YOU PASSED THEM IN THE GROCERY
YOU PASSED THEM IN THE GROCERY STORE.
STORE. AND THIS IDEOLOGY THAT THEY
AND THIS IDEOLOGY THAT THEY FOLLOW IS ACTUALLY VERY OLD.
FOLLOW IS ACTUALLY VERY OLD. I MEAN IT WAS REALLY ONLY, YOU
I MEAN IT WAS REALLY ONLY, YOU KNOW, 50, 60 YEARS AGO THAT A
KNOW, 50, 60 YEARS AGO THAT A MAJORITY OF WHITE PEOPLE
MAJORITY OF WHITE PEOPLE BELIEVED A LOT OF WHAT THEY
BELIEVED A LOT OF WHAT THEY BELIEVE.
BELIEVE. SO THE PHILOSOPHIES AND
SO THE PHILOSOPHIES AND THEOLOGIES THAT JUSTIFY WHITE
THEOLOGIES THAT JUSTIFY WHITE SUPREMACIST IDEAS ARE ACTUALLY
SUPREMACIST IDEAS ARE ACTUALLY QUITE OLD.
QUITE OLD. THEY’RE THE SAME IDEAS THAT
THEY’RE THE SAME IDEAS THAT JUSTIFIED SLAVERY, THAT
JUSTIFIED SLAVERY, THAT JUSTIFIED COLONIALISM, THAT
JUSTIFIED COLONIALISM, THAT JUSTIFIED THE JIM CROW LAWS.
JUSTIFIED THE JIM CROW LAWS. SO THIS HAS BEEN A PERVASIVE
SO THIS HAS BEEN A PERVASIVE PART OF OUR SOCIETY FOR THE
PART OF OUR SOCIETY FOR THE ENTIRE EXISTENCE OF OUR SOCIETY,
ENTIRE EXISTENCE OF OUR SOCIETY, AND IT’S BEEN SUPPRESSED SINCE
AND IT’S BEEN SUPPRESSED SINCE THE CIVIL RIGHTS MOVEMENT.
THE CIVIL RIGHTS MOVEMENT. UNFORTUNATELY, WE’RE SEEING A
UNFORTUNATELY, WE’RE SEEING A RESURGENCE OF IT BECAUSE WE HAVE
RESURGENCE OF IT BECAUSE WE HAVE A PRESIDENT WHO SEEMS TO SPEAK
A PRESIDENT WHO SEEMS TO SPEAK TO THIS AUDIENCE.
TO THIS AUDIENCE. >> MY GOODNESS, WHEN YOU SAID
>> MY GOODNESS, WHEN YOU SAID COAST GUARD, I WAS THINKING,
COAST GUARD, I WAS THINKING, WOW, IF I WALKED BY HIM IN A
WOW, IF I WALKED BY HIM IN A STORE AND MY KID SAW HIM, I
STORE AND MY KID SAW HIM, I WOULD HAVE TOLD MY SON TO SHAKE
WOULD HAVE TOLD MY SON TO SHAKE HIS HAND AND SAY THANKS.
HIS HAND AND SAY THANKS. >> RIGHT.
>> RIGHT. >> HOW DOES THE JUSTICE
>> HOW DOES THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT GENERALLY RESPOND TO
DEPARTMENT GENERALLY RESPOND TO THINGS LIKE THIS IF IT’S A HATE
THINGS LIKE THIS IF IT’S A HATE CRIME THAT HASN’T BEEN COMMITTED
CRIME THAT HASN’T BEEN COMMITTED YET?
YET? >> SO THERE AREN’T ANY CRIMES OR
>> SO THERE AREN’T ANY CRIMES OR STATUTES THAT YOU CAN USE TO
STATUTES THAT YOU CAN USE TO PUNISH SOMEBODY FOR WHAT THEY
PUNISH SOMEBODY FOR WHAT THEY WERE THINKING ABOUT DOING.
WERE THINKING ABOUT DOING. I DON’T THINK WE WANT THOSE IN
I DON’T THINK WE WANT THOSE IN OUR SOCIETY.
OUR SOCIETY. WHERE THERE IS A CONSPIRACY, IN
WHERE THERE IS A CONSPIRACY, IN OTHER WORDS, WHERE SOMEBODY IS
OTHER WORDS, WHERE SOMEBODY IS ACTING IN CONCERT WITH ANOTHER
ACTING IN CONCERT WITH ANOTHER PERSON TO COMMIT A CRIME, ACTS,
PERSON TO COMMIT A CRIME, ACTS, OVERT ACTS THAT WOULD NOT
OVERT ACTS THAT WOULD NOT NECESSARILY BE CRIMES THEMSELVES
NECESSARILY BE CRIMES THEMSELVES COULD BE TREATED AS AN OVERT ACT
COULD BE TREATED AS AN OVERT ACT IN A CONSPIRACY AND, THEREFORE,
IN A CONSPIRACY AND, THEREFORE, PUNISHABLE.
PUNISHABLE. BUT IF THE FBI IS UNABLE TO SHOW
BUT IF THE FBI IS UNABLE TO SHOW THAT THIS INDIVIDUAL WAS
THAT THIS INDIVIDUAL WAS ACTUALLY WORKING WITH OTHERS,
ACTUALLY WORKING WITH OTHERS, PERHAPS THE METHOD THAT THEY
PERHAPS THE METHOD THAT THEY HAVE TAKEN CHARGING HIM WITH THE
HAVE TAKEN CHARGING HIM WITH THE POSSESSION OF DRUGS AND THE
POSSESSION OF DRUGS AND THE POSSESSION OF FIREARMS WHILE
POSSESSION OF FIREARMS WHILE ADDICTED TO DRUGS IS A GOOD
ADDICTED TO DRUGS IS A GOOD SOLUTION.
SOLUTION. THERE ARE PLENTY OF LAWS ON THE
THERE ARE PLENTY OF LAWS ON THE BOOKS.
BOOKS. THERE ARE 51 FEDERAL CRIMES OF
THERE ARE 51 FEDERAL CRIMES OF TERRORISM.
TERRORISM. IN ADDITION, THE FBI -- OR THE
IN ADDITION, THE FBI -- OR THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT HAS FIVE HATE
JUSTICE DEPARTMENT HAS FIVE HATE CRIME STATUTES, SO THERE ARE A
CRIME STATUTES, SO THERE ARE A LOT OF LAWS ON THE BOOKS AND A
LOT OF LAWS ON THE BOOKS AND A LOT OF DIFFERENT WAYS TO ATTACK
LOT OF DIFFERENT WAYS TO ATTACK THIS PROBLEM.
THIS PROBLEM. SO IT’S NOT A MATTER OF NEEDING
SO IT’S NOT A MATTER OF NEEDING NEW LAWS, IT’S A MATTER OF
NEW LAWS, IT’S A MATTER OF MAKING SURE THAT THE FBI AND THE
MAKING SURE THAT THE FBI AND THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT ARE ACTUALLY
JUSTICE DEPARTMENT ARE ACTUALLY FOCUSED ON THIS PROBLEM.
FOCUSED ON THIS PROBLEM. PART OF THE PROBLEM THAT WE
PART OF THE PROBLEM THAT WE IDENTIFIED IN A REPORT THAT WE
IDENTIFIED IN A REPORT THAT WE PUBLISHED LAST YEAR IS THAT FAR
PUBLISHED LAST YEAR IS THAT FAR RIGHT TERRORISM IS DEPRIORITIZED
RIGHT TERRORISM IS DEPRIORITIZED WITHIN THE COUNTERTERRORISM
WITHIN THE COUNTERTERRORISM WORLD.
WORLD. IT’S BEHIND WHAT THE GOVERNMENT
IT’S BEHIND WHAT THE GOVERNMENT CALLS INTERNATIONAL TERRORISM.
CALLS INTERNATIONAL TERRORISM. EVEN THOUGH WHITE SUPREMACY
EVEN THOUGH WHITE SUPREMACY DIDN’T START IN THE UNITED
DIDN’T START IN THE UNITED STATES, IT’S ACTUALLY AN
STATES, IT’S ACTUALLY AN INTERNATIONAL PHENOMENON.
INTERNATIONAL PHENOMENON. SO THERE’S THIS INAPPROPRIATE
SO THERE’S THIS INAPPROPRIATE DEGRADING OF WHITE SUPREMACIST
DEGRADING OF WHITE SUPREMACIST VIOLENCE AS A NATIONAL SECURITY
VIOLENCE AS A NATIONAL SECURITY CONCERN.
CONCERN. AND IN FACT A LOT OF TIMES IT’S
AND IN FACT A LOT OF TIMES IT’S DOWNGRADED TO WHAT THEY CALL
DOWNGRADED TO WHAT THEY CALL HATE CRIMES WHICH THE LANGUAGE
HATE CRIMES WHICH THE LANGUAGE WE USE IS IMPORTANT, BUT MORE
WE USE IS IMPORTANT, BUT MORE IMPORTANT IS THAT TERRORISM IS
IMPORTANT IS THAT TERRORISM IS THE FBI’S NUMBER ONE PRIORITY,
THE FBI’S NUMBER ONE PRIORITY, COUNTERTERRORISM.
COUNTERTERRORISM. CIVIL RIGHTS VIOLATIONS LIKE
CIVIL RIGHTS VIOLATIONS LIKE HATE CRIMES ARE NUMBER FIVE.
HATE CRIMES ARE NUMBER FIVE. SO CATEGORIZING SOMETHING THAT
SO CATEGORIZING SOMETHING THAT COULD BE JUST AS DANGEROUS AS AN
COULD BE JUST AS DANGEROUS AS AN ACT OF TERRORISM AND MEET THE
ACT OF TERRORISM AND MEET THE DEFINITION OF AN ACT OF
DEFINITION OF AN ACT OF TERRORISM AS A HATE CRIME DOES
TERRORISM AS A HATE CRIME DOES HAVE AN IMPACT AS FAR AS HOW

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