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MSNBC 30 Dec 2019

Bolton, Mulvaney Wanted Trump To Release Ukraine Aid In August: NYT

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Defense Secretary Mark T. Esper joined Mike Pompeo and John Bolton in trying to convince the president that releasing the aid was in interests of the United States, according to NYT reporting. Aired on 12/30/19.


Rachel Maddow reports on the dismissal of Undersecretary of Defense for Policy John Rood who was told by Defense Secretary Esper that Donald Trump wanted him to resign. Rood advised against withholding military aid from Ukraine. Aired on 02/19/20.
White House deputy counsel Michael Purpura and Rep. Adam Schiff (D-CA), one of the impeachment managers, debate the details of President Donald Trump's call with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky and when exactly Ukraine found out that there was going to be a freeze in funding for aid.

#Impeachment
President Trump is set to release his $4.8 trillion federal budget proposal today. He wants to boost spending for the military and the U.S.-Mexico border wall. However, Democrats are slamming him for pushing to cut spending for programs like food stamps, Medicaid and Medicare. CBS News White House correspondent Ben Tracy joins CBSN to break down the proposal.
Chris Hayes and Rachel Maddow remark on the awkward reluctance of Donald Trump's lawyers to answer when Donald Trump ordered the hold on aid to Ukraine and when he called off the hold. Aired on 01/29/20.

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AND MAYOR PETE IS TAKING ON JOE WE’LL GET TO THIS.
WE’LL GET TO THIS. >>> BUT?; WE BEGIN WITH THE
>>> BUT?; WE BEGIN WITH THE INVESTIGATION INTO PRESIDENT
INVESTIGATION INTO PRESIDENT TRUMP.
TRUMP. >> IT’S PART OF AN EXTENSIVE
>> IT’S PART OF AN EXTENSIVE PIECE AS WE ALL KNOW "THE,"W
PIECE AS WE ALL KNOW "THE,"W YORK TIMES" ON THIS NEARLY
YORK TIMES" ON THIS NEARLY 4-MILLION DOLLARS INok MILITARY
4-MILLION DOLLARS INok MILITARY THAID=M WITHHELD FROM UKRAINE
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WAS DEMOCRATS ARE PUSHING FOR WITNESSES AT THEñr SENATE TRIAL.
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AN OVAL OFFICE MEETING, MARK ESPER AND MIKE POMPEO AND JOHNlp
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LAWYERS WITH THE WHITE [email protected]& BUDGET OFFICE ACTUALLY DEVELOPED
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TO OVERRIDE CONGRESSfá ON THE ISSUE.
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AS WE NOW KNOW, THEwO/ PRESIDENT DID NOT RELEASE THE AID UNTIL
DID NOT RELEASE THE AID UNTIL SEPTEMBER 11th AFTER LEARNING
SEPTEMBER 11th AFTER LEARNING ABOUT THE WHISTLE-BLOWEiá REPORT
ABOUT THE WHISTLE-BLOWEiá REPORT ELISE, IT IS ASTOUBD ASTOUNDING
ELISE, IT IS ASTOUBD ASTOUNDING CONSIDERING THE TIMELINE AND
CONSIDERING THE TIMELINE AND THEN LATE AUGUST YOUçó HAVE JOHN
THEN LATE AUGUST YOUçó HAVE JOHN BOLTON, MARK ESPER, MIKE POMPEO,
BOLTON, MARK ESPER, MIKE POMPEO, SITTINGçó DOWN WITH THE PRESIDEN
SITTINGçó DOWN WITH THE PRESIDEN PLEADING WITH HIM TO RELEASE
PLEADING WITH HIM TO RELEASE THIS AID AND TWO WEEKS LATER
THIS AID AND TWO WEEKS LATER TIMELINEWISE THAT AID WAS
TIMELINEWISE THAT AID WAS FINALLYçó RELEASED.
FINALLYçó RELEASED. SO THE PRESIDENT PUSHING BACK
SO THE PRESIDENT PUSHING BACK [email protected]’G, NO, I’M NOT RELEASING
[email protected]’G, NO, I’M NOT RELEASING IT.
IT. >> WHAT’S SO AMAZING ABOUT THIS
>> WHAT’S SO AMAZING ABOUT THIS DEEP DIVE, IT PUTS INTO CONTEXT
DEEP DIVE, IT PUTS INTO CONTEXT A LOT OF THE PRIOR REPORTING AND
A LOT OF THE PRIOR REPORTING AND JUST GIVES YOU THE TIMELINE AND
JUST GIVES YOU THE TIMELINE AND THE NARRATIVE IS JUST HOW
THE NARRATIVE IS JUST HOW POLITICIZED THE PROCESS WAS
POLITICIZED THE PROCESS WAS WITHIN THE OFFICE OF MANAGEMENT
WITHIN THE OFFICE OF MANAGEMENT AND BUDGET.
AND BUDGET. WHICH USUALLY IS A VERY
WHICH USUALLY IS A VERY FUNCTIONAL APOLITICALxD DEPARTME
FUNCTIONAL APOLITICALxD DEPARTME HE WAS AC1 PRETTY HARD RIGHT, HA
HE WAS AC1 PRETTY HARD RIGHT, HA LINE CONSERVATIVE.
LINE CONSERVATIVE. AND HE GAME INTO THE OFFICE OFjF
AND HE GAME INTO THE OFFICE OFjF MANAGEMENT AND BUDGET BASICALLY
MANAGEMENT AND BUDGET BASICALLY RUNNING ANfáfá ORGANIZATION THAT
RUNNING ANfáfá ORGANIZATION THAT SUPPOSED TO FUNDxD THE REST OF T
SUPPOSED TO FUNDxD THE REST OF T U.S. GOVERNMENT HAVING RUN HIS
U.S. GOVERNMENT HAVING RUN HIS POLITICALfá CAREER ON CUTTING AS
POLITICALfá CAREER ON CUTTING AS MUCH FROM GOVERNMENT AS
MUCH FROM GOVERNMENT AS POSSIBLE.
POSSIBLE. SO, YOU KNOW, I DOw3 THINK IT’S
SO, YOU KNOW, I DOw3 THINK IT’S INTERESTING, THOUGH, THAV3 ONCE
INTERESTING, THOUGH, THAV3 ONCE AEï1ñ YOU HAVE PEOPLE AROUND çó
AEï1ñ YOU HAVE PEOPLE AROUND çó TRUMP, AS WE SAW WITH THE
TRUMP, AS WE SAW WITH THE MUELLER REPORT, WHOq ARE AT THE
MUELLER REPORT, WHOq ARE AT THE VERY HIGHEST LEVELS TELLING HIM
VERY HIGHEST LEVELS TELLING HIM EITHER NO, NO, NO, OR FAILING TO
EITHER NO, NO, NO, OR FAILING TO FOLLOW THROUGH WITH HIS ORDERS.
FOLLOW THROUGH WITH HIS ORDERS. WHICH IS INTERESTING.
WHICH IS INTERESTING. BECAUSE HOWEVER FEW GUARDRAILS
BECAUSE HOWEVER FEW GUARDRAILS STILL EXIST AROUND THIS
STILL EXIST AROUND THIS PRESIDENT, AT LEAST IN THIS
HAT THERE óAs INSTANCE IT APPEARSáMH
HAT THERE óAs WHAT’S YOUR lpTAKEAWAY?
WHAT’S YOUR lpTAKEAWAY? >> MYfá TEAK WAY WASAKEAWAY WAS
>> MYfá TEAK WAY WASAKEAWAY WAS YOURS.
YOURS. IT TAKES US BACK TO WHAT THE
IT TAKES US BACK TO WHAT THE HEART OF THE UKRAINE SCANDAL WAS
HEART OF THE UKRAINE SCANDAL WAS ABOUT.
ABOUT. WE RECALL THE JULY 25 PHONE CALL
WE RECALL THE JULY 25 PHONE CALL xz WHICH THE NEW PRESIDE
xz WHICH THE NEW PRESIDE UKRAINE ZELENSKY ASKED FOR
UKRAINE ZELENSKY ASKED FOR RENEWAL OF U.S. MILITARY
RENEWAL OF U.S. MILITARY SUPPORT. fá
SUPPORT. fá THEY’RE FIGHTING RUSSIAN PROXIES
THEY’RE FIGHTING RUSSIAN PROXIES ON THEIR BORDER AND TRUMP SAYS,
ON THEIR BORDER AND TRUMP SAYS, YEAH, I WANT A FAVOR, THOUGH, ZM
YEAH, I WANT A FAVOR, THOUGH, ZM WHAT WOULD AMOUNT TO POLITICAL
WHAT WOULD AMOUNT TO POLITICAL ASSISTANCE IN HIS CAMPAIGN.
ASSISTANCE IN HIS CAMPAIGN. THE AID THATçó CONGRESS WAS MAKI
THE AID THATçó CONGRESS WAS MAKI CONDITIONAL HAD BEEN VOTED BY
CONDITIONAL HAD BEEN VOTED BY CONGRESSxD BY BROAD BIPARTISAN
CONGRESSxD BY BROAD BIPARTISAN SUPPORT.
SUPPORT. IT WASçó SOMETHING THAT HAD BEEN
IT WASçó SOMETHING THAT HAD BEEN DONE CHANGING THE POLICIES OF
DONE CHANGING THE POLICIES OF THE OBAMA 5?1ADMINISTRATION.
THE OBAMA 5?1ADMINISTRATION. AND HERE’S A TOP GROUP THAT THE
AND HERE’S A TOP GROUP THAT THE FOLLOWING MONTH, THE PHONE CALL
FOLLOWING MONTH, THE PHONE CALL TAKES PLACE IN JULY. K&Q! INok&█
TAKES PLACE IN JULY. K&Q! INok&█ POMPEO PRETTY HARD LINE TRYING
POMPEO PRETTY HARD LINE TRYING TO -- PRESIDENTIAL GUY JOINING
TO -- PRESIDENTIAL GUY JOINING WITH THE NEWfá DEFENSE .LjñSECRE
WITH THE NEWfá DEFENSE .LjñSECRE MARK okESPER.
MARK okESPER. SOMEBODY WHO IS VERY CLOSE TO e1
SOMEBODY WHO IS VERY CLOSE TO e1 POMPEO, AND JOHN BOLTON WHO IS
POMPEO, AND JOHN BOLTON WHO IS GETTING INCREASINGLY UNHAPPY
GETTING INCREASINGLY UNHAPPY ABOUT WHAT HE’S SEEING SWIRLING
ABOUT WHAT HE’S SEEING SWIRLING AROUND THIS UKRAINEM4TáUQ GOING
AROUND THIS UKRAINEM4TáUQ GOING TO THE PRESIDENT t(SAYING, SIR,
TO THE PRESIDENT t(SAYING, SIR, NEEta TO STOP IT.
NEEta TO STOP IT. WE NEED TOÑi GET IN MILITARY AID
WE NEED TOÑi GET IN MILITARY AID MOVING x/GAIN. e1
MOVING x/GAIN. e1 THIS WAS A KEY NATIONAL
THIS WAS A KEY NATIONAL PRIORITY.
PRIORITY. THAT DOESN’T HAPPEN.
THAT DOESN’T HAPPEN. THAT DOESN’T HAPPEN FOR SOME
THAT DOESN’T HAPPEN FOR SOME WEEKS LATER.
WEEKS LATER. AND THE EVIDENCE IS IT DOESN’T
AND THE EVIDENCE IS IT DOESN’T HAPPEN UNTIL IT’S ABOUT TO BLOW
HAPPEN UNTIL IT’S ABOUT TO BLOW BECAUSE OF THE WHISTLE-BLOWER
BECAUSE OF THE WHISTLE-BLOWER COMPLAINT.
COMPLAINT. SO IT’S USEFUL IN FOCUSING OUR
SO IT’S USEFUL IN FOCUSING OUR MINDSok ON JUST HOWxDt( INSISTEN
MINDSok ON JUST HOWxDt( INSISTEN WAS, HE’S THE PRESIDENT, DOESN’T
WAS, HE’S THE PRESIDENT, DOESN’T PURCHASE HE’S THE,
PURCHASE HE’S THE, HE’S THE COMMANDER AND CHIEF AND
HE’S THE COMMANDER AND CHIEF AND HE CAN OVERRULE IT AGAINSTt( HIS
HE CAN OVERRULE IT AGAINSTt( HIS NATIONAL SECURITY TEAM SAYING
NATIONAL SECURITY TEAM SAYING MR. PRESIDENT, DIDN’T DO THAT.
MR. PRESIDENT, DIDN’T DO THAT. >> PICKING UP ON THAT THOUGHT,
>> PICKING UP ON THAT THOUGHT, EDDIE, THE STORY IS REMARKABLE
EDDIE, THE STORY IS REMARKABLE TH-
TH-LED TO THIS MOMENT. $<WE KNO
MOMENT NANCY PELOSI BECAME $<WE KNO
MOMENT NANCY PELOSI BECAME BY READING THIS PIECE, THE
BY READING THIS PIECE, THE RECONST)CTION OF WHAT HAPPENED,
RECONST)CTION OF WHAT HAPPENED, SHE DOESN’T HAVE TO -- SHE HAD
SHE DOESN’T HAVE TO -- SHE HAD ut TAKE THIS STEP?
ut TAKE THIS STEP? >> ABSOLUTELY NOT.
>> ABSOLUTELY NOT. SHE DIDN’T HAVE A CHOICE.
SHE DIDN’T HAVE A CHOICE. IT SEEMS TO ME THAT WHAT’S CLEAR
IT SEEMS TO ME THAT WHAT’S CLEAR IN THE "NEW YORK TIMES" IS THAT3
IN THE "NEW YORK TIMES" IS THAT3 TRUMP DOES NOT AND DID NOT AND
TRUMP DOES NOT AND DID NOT AND DOES NOT WANT THESE FOLKS TO
DOES NOT WANT THESE FOLKS TO TESTIFY BECAUSE THEY WILL WILL
TESTIFY BECAUSE THEY WILL WILL SOME WAYS REVEAL THERE WAS SOMEx
SOME WAYS REVEAL THERE WAS SOMEx WRONGDOING AT THE HEART OF THIS.
WRONGDOING AT THE HEART OF THIS. SO I THINK IT’S REALLY IMPORTANT
SO I THINK IT’S REALLY IMPORTANT AS I REA÷ THE PIECE TO REALLY
AS I REA÷ THE PIECE TO REALLY THINK ABOUT THE IMPORTANT
THINK ABOUT THE IMPORTANT APPEARANCE OF THE SUBPOENA OF
APPEARANCE OF THE SUBPOENA OF CQULEw3 VIANEY, OF BOLTON, POMPE
CQULEw3 VIANEY, OF BOLTON, POMPE WE’VE GOT TO GET THESE FOLKS
WE’VE GOT TO GET THESE FOLKS RIGHT, UNDER OATH, TALKING ABOUT
RIGHT, UNDER OATH, TALKING ABOUT THAT MEETING.
THAT MEETING. AND IT SEEMS TOxTHAT THIS IS
AND IT SEEMS TOxTHAT THIS IS EVEN MORE JUSTIFICATION, IT
EVEN MORE JUSTIFICATION, IT PROVIDES FOR JUSTIFICATIONÑi FOR
PROVIDES FOR JUSTIFICATIONÑi FOR NANCY PELOSI TO NOT SENT
NANCY PELOSI TO NOT SENT UNLESS WE GET THESE FOLKSÑi UNDE
UNLESS WE GET THESE FOLKSÑi UNDE OATH AND TESTIFY.
OATH AND TESTIFY. >> RIGHT.

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