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MSNBC 31 Jan 2020

Acquittal Would Leave An 'Enormous Stain' On The Senate, Says Senator

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Sen. Chris Murphy, D-Conn., says an 'enormous stain' will be left on the Senate if the president is acquitted. Sen. Murphy also says Senate Republcians are putting themselves ahead of the country. Aired on 1/31/20.


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>>> HE WON’T BE ACQUITTED.
>>> HE WON’T BE ACQUITTED. YOU CAN’T BE ACQUITTED WITHOUT A
YOU CAN’T BE ACQUITTED WITHOUT A TRIAL AND YOU CAN’T HAVE A TRIAL
TRIAL AND YOU CAN’T HAVE A TRIAL WITHOUT DOCUMENTATION AND THINGS
WITHOUT DOCUMENTATION AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
LIKE THAT. I HOPE THE SENATORS IF IT COMES
I HOPE THE SENATORS IF IT COMES TO A TIE OR A QUESTION OF
TO A TIE OR A QUESTION OF HEARING TESTIMONY OR RECEIVING
HEARING TESTIMONY OR RECEIVING DOCUMENTS WOULD LEAVE IT UP TO
DOCUMENTS WOULD LEAVE IT UP TO THE CHIEF JUSTICE OF THE SUPREME
THE CHIEF JUSTICE OF THE SUPREME COURT.
COURT. >> JOINING US NOW A MEMBER OF
>> JOINING US NOW A MEMBER OF THE SENATE FOREIGN RELATIONS
THE SENATE FOREIGN RELATIONS COMMITTEE DEMOCRAT CHRIS MURPHY
COMMITTEE DEMOCRAT CHRIS MURPHY OF CONNECTICUT, AND I’D LIKE TO
OF CONNECTICUT, AND I’D LIKE TO START OFF BY ASKING YOU A BIT
START OFF BY ASKING YOU A BIT ABOUT WHAT SPEAKER PELOSI WAS
ABOUT WHAT SPEAKER PELOSI WAS JUST SAYING.
JUST SAYING. SO NO WITNESSES.
SO NO WITNESSES. NO TRIAL.
NO TRIAL. WE CAN ALL GIVE OUR OPINION WHAT
WE CAN ALL GIVE OUR OPINION WHAT WE THINK ABOUT THE SAD STATE OF
WE THINK ABOUT THE SAD STATE OF OUR DEMOCRACY RIGHT NOW, BUT
OUR DEMOCRACY RIGHT NOW, BUT WHAT’S NEXT?
WHAT’S NEXT? >> WELL, I MEAN, THIS IS GOING
>> WELL, I MEAN, THIS IS GOING TO BE AN ENORMOUS STAIN ON THE
TO BE AN ENORMOUS STAIN ON THE UNITED STATES SENATE, IF TODAY
UNITED STATES SENATE, IF TODAY GOES AS EXPECTED.
GOES AS EXPECTED. >> I GET THAT.
>> I GET THAT. YEP.
YEP. >> THERE’S ALSO RUMORS WE MAY
>> THERE’S ALSO RUMORS WE MAY NOT EVEN HAVE DELIBERATIONS.
NOT EVEN HAVE DELIBERATIONS. WE MAY NOT GO BEHIND CLOSED
WE MAY NOT GO BEHIND CLOSED DOORS AND TALK TO EACH OTHER
DOORS AND TALK TO EACH OTHER ABOUT THE CONSEQUENCES OF WHAT
ABOUT THE CONSEQUENCES OF WHAT WE’VE HEARD.
WE’VE HEARD. A TRIAL WITH NO WITNESSES, WITH
A TRIAL WITH NO WITNESSES, WITH NO DELIBERATIONS.
NO DELIBERATIONS. THAT ISN’T A TRIAL.
THAT ISN’T A TRIAL. I THINK SPEAKER PELOSI IS RIGHT.
I THINK SPEAKER PELOSI IS RIGHT. THEN THIS CAN’T BE A REAL
THEN THIS CAN’T BE A REAL ACQUITTAL.
ACQUITTAL. OF COURSE, WE’RE GOING IT FIND
OF COURSE, WE’RE GOING IT FIND OUT WHAT JOHN BOLTON SAID.
OUT WHAT JOHN BOLTON SAID. THE FACT IS, SENATE REPUBLICANS
THE FACT IS, SENATE REPUBLICANS CAN’T COVER THIS UP FOREVER.
CAN’T COVER THIS UP FOREVER. WE’RE GOING TO FIND OUT EXACTLY
WE’RE GOING TO FIND OUT EXACTLY WHAT DONALD TRUMP SAID TO JOHN
WHAT DONALD TRUMP SAID TO JOHN BOLTON, FIND OUT EVENTUALLY THE
BOLTON, FIND OUT EVENTUALLY THE SCOPE OF THIS CORRUPTION.
SCOPE OF THIS CORRUPTION. AND THEN IT’S GOING TO BE TOO
AND THEN IT’S GOING TO BE TOO LATE, BECAUSE THE TRIAL WILL BE
LATE, BECAUSE THE TRIAL WILL BE OVER AND WE’LL BE IN THE MIDDLE
OVER AND WE’LL BE IN THE MIDDLE OF A RE-ELECTION CAMPAIGN IN
OF A RE-ELECTION CAMPAIGN IN WHICH THE PRESIDENT WILL BE
WHICH THE PRESIDENT WILL BE POTENTIALLY EMPOWERED,
POTENTIALLY EMPOWERED, POTENTIALLY GREEN LIGHTED TO DO
POTENTIALLY GREEN LIGHTED TO DO MORE OF THE KIND OF CORRUPTION
MORE OF THE KIND OF CORRUPTION THAT HE ENGAGED IN WITH UKRAINE.
THAT HE ENGAGED IN WITH UKRAINE. >> SENATOR, WILLIE GEIST.
>> SENATOR, WILLIE GEIST. GOOD TO SEE YOU THIS MORNING.
GOOD TO SEE YOU THIS MORNING. A TABLE FULL OF POLITICAL
A TABLE FULL OF POLITICAL EXPERTS EXPLAINING BY LAMAR
EXPERTS EXPLAINING BY LAMAR ALEXANDER AND OTHERS WILL VOTE
ALEXANDER AND OTHERS WILL VOTE TODAY THE WAY THEY WILL VOTE,
TODAY THE WAY THEY WILL VOTE, BUT I’M INTERESTED IN YOUR VIEW
BUT I’M INTERESTED IN YOUR VIEW FROM THE INSIDE OF THE UNITED
FROM THE INSIDE OF THE UNITED STATES SENATOR.
STATES SENATOR. WHY SOMEONE LIKE LET’S TAKE
WHY SOMEONE LIKE LET’S TAKE SENATOR ALEXANDER AS AN EXAMPLE,
SENATOR ALEXANDER AS AN EXAMPLE, SOMEONE WHO’S RETIRING, KIND OF
SOMEONE WHO’S RETIRING, KIND OF AN INSTITUTIONALIST, A GUY THERE
AN INSTITUTIONALIST, A GUY THERE A LONG TIME, CONVENTIONAL
A LONG TIME, CONVENTIONAL REPUBLICAN, ESTABLISHMENT
REPUBLICAN, ESTABLISHMENT REPUBLICAN, WHY WOULD HE VOTE,
REPUBLICAN, WHY WOULD HE VOTE, AGAIN, NOT TO CONVICT THE
AGAIN, NOT TO CONVICT THE PRESIDENT, BUT EVEN TO ALLOW
PRESIDENT, BUT EVEN TO ALLOW EVIDENCE AND WITNESSES?
EVIDENCE AND WITNESSES? >> WELL, I THINK THESE
>> WELL, I THINK THESE REPUBLICANS ARE PUTTING
REPUBLICANS ARE PUTTING THEMSELVES BEFORE THE COUNTRY.
THEMSELVES BEFORE THE COUNTRY. AND THEY KNOW THAT IF JOHN
AND THEY KNOW THAT IF JOHN BOLTON’S TESTIMONY COMES OUT
BOLTON’S TESTIMONY COMES OUT BEFORE THEY RENDER A VERDICT, IF
BEFORE THEY RENDER A VERDICT, IF THE AMERICAN PUBLIC GET TO SEE
THE AMERICAN PUBLIC GET TO SEE THE FORMER NATIONAL SECURITY
THE FORMER NATIONAL SECURITY ADVISERS TALKING ABOUT THE SCOPE
ADVISERS TALKING ABOUT THE SCOPE OF PRESIDENT TRUMP’S DIRECTION,
OF PRESIDENT TRUMP’S DIRECTION, HIS PERSONAL DIRECTION OF THIS
HIS PERSONAL DIRECTION OF THIS CORRUPTION, IT MAKES IT REALLY
CORRUPTION, IT MAKES IT REALLY HARD FOR THEM TO VOTE TO ACQUIT.
HARD FOR THEM TO VOTE TO ACQUIT. SO THEY ARE TRYING TO MAKE THE
SO THEY ARE TRYING TO MAKE THE ACQUITTAL VOTE ON THEM AS EASY
ACQUITTAL VOTE ON THEM AS EASY AS POSSIBLE.
AS POSSIBLE. I DON’T THINK, THOUGH, THEY GET
I DON’T THINK, THOUGH, THEY GET AWAY WITH IT.
AWAY WITH IT. I THINK, FRANKLY, A LOT OF FOLKS
I THINK, FRANKLY, A LOT OF FOLKS OUT THERE, EVEN TRUMP SUPPORTERS
OUT THERE, EVEN TRUMP SUPPORTERS WILL BE PRETTY PISSED WHEN THEY
WILL BE PRETTY PISSED WHEN THEY HEAR THIS EVIDENCE, WHEN THE
HEAR THIS EVIDENCE, WHEN THE BOOK COMES OUT, AND THE
BOOK COMES OUT, AND THE PRESIDENT HAS ALREADY BEEN
PRESIDENT HAS ALREADY BEEN CLEARED.
CLEARED. SO I’M SO DISAPPOINTED IN MY
SO I’M SO DISAPPOINTED IN MY REPUBLICAN COLLEAGUES, BECAUSE
REPUBLICAN COLLEAGUES, BECAUSE THIS HAS JUST BECOME A SHOW
THIS HAS JUST BECOME A SHOW TRIAL, AND IT DOES HAVE
TRIAL, AND IT DOES HAVE CONSEQUENCES FOR THE FUTURE OF
CONSEQUENCES FOR THE FUTURE OF THE SENATE.
THE SENATE. I DON’T KNOW WHY THERE WOULD BE
I DON’T KNOW WHY THERE WOULD BE ANY SERIOUS IMPEACHMENT TRIAL IN
ANY SERIOUS IMPEACHMENT TRIAL IN THE FUTURE AFTER THIS PRECEDENT
THE FUTURE AFTER THIS PRECEDENT IS SET.
IS SET. >> MIKE, I WOULD SAY ONE MORE
>> MIKE, I WOULD SAY ONE MORE TIME.
TIME. POLLING ON WHETHER OR NOT THE
POLLING ON WHETHER OR NOT THE AMERICAN PUBLIC BELIEVES THERE
AMERICAN PUBLIC BELIEVES THERE SHOULD BE EFORD AND WITNESSES
SHOULD BE EFORD AND WITNESSES ALLOWED.
ALLOWED. NOT VOTE TO CONVICT RANGES
NOT VOTE TO CONVICT RANGES BETWEEN 70% AND 80% OF THE
BETWEEN 70% AND 80% OF THE COUNTRY.
COUNTRY. SO REPUBLICANS HAVE TAKEN A 20%
SO REPUBLICANS HAVE TAKEN A 20% OR 30% POSITION ON THIS.
OR 30% POSITION ON THIS. >> SURE.
>> SURE. PEOPLE KNOW.
PEOPLE KNOW. PEOPLE LEAD ORDINARY LIVES,
PEOPLE LEAD ORDINARY LIVES, SOMETIMES CALLED FOR JURY DUTY
SOMETIMES CALLED FOR JURY DUTY AND KNOW WHAT A JURY IS ALL
AND KNOW WHAT A JURY IS ALL ABOUT.
ABOUT. YOU KNOW?
YOU KNOW? UP OR DOWN.
UP OR DOWN. WHAT ARE THE FACTS?
WHAT ARE THE FACTS? LET’S LISTEN TO THE WITNESSES.
LET’S LISTEN TO THE WITNESSES. NOT THE CASE IN THE UNITED
NOT THE CASE IN THE UNITED STATES SENATE.
STATES SENATE. SENATOR, YOU SEEM TO BE A
SENATOR, YOU SEEM TO BE A THOUGHTFUL GUY.
THOUGHTFUL GUY. YOU’RE AN ARTICULATE GUY WAY
YOU’RE AN ARTICULATE GUY WAY GOOD EDUCATION.
GOOD EDUCATION. I DON’T KNOW EXACTLY HOW LONG
I DON’T KNOW EXACTLY HOW LONG YOU THOUGHT ABOUT RUNNING FOR
YOU THOUGHT ABOUT RUNNING FOR PUBLIC OFFICE LOCALLY IN
PUBLIC OFFICE LOCALLY IN CONNECTICUT.
CONNECTICUT. CERTAINLY THE UNITED STATES
CERTAINLY THE UNITED STATES SENATE, BUT IF YOU COULD OR
SENATE, BUT IF YOU COULD OR WOULD, PLEASE, TAKE A COUPLE OF
WOULD, PLEASE, TAKE A COUPLE OF MINUTES TO TELL US WHAT YOU
MINUTES TO TELL US WHAT YOU THOUGHT OF THE UNITED STATES
THOUGHT OF THE UNITED STATES SENATE GROWING UP GOING TO
SENATE GROWING UP GOING TO SCHOOL, AND WHAT YOU THINK OF
SCHOOL, AND WHAT YOU THINK OF THE UNITED STATES SENATE TODAY.
THE UNITED STATES SENATE TODAY. >> SO I WAS BORN IN THE MIDDLE
>> SO I WAS BORN IN THE MIDDLE OF WATERGATE, AND SO MY ENTIRE
OF WATERGATE, AND SO MY ENTIRE POLITICAL CONSCIOUSNESS COMES IN
POLITICAL CONSCIOUSNESS COMES IN THE AFTERMATH OF THAT CRISIS,
THE AFTERMATH OF THAT CRISIS, AND SO IN THAT RESPECT I GROW UP
AND SO IN THAT RESPECT I GROW UP CYNICAL ABOUT POLITICIANS.
CYNICAL ABOUT POLITICIANS. BECAUSE I’VE SEEN THE WORST.
BECAUSE I’VE SEEN THE WORST. THAT IS HAPPENING LITERALLY AT
THAT IS HAPPENING LITERALLY AT THE VERY BEGINNING OF MY
THE VERY BEGINNING OF MY CHILDHOOD.
CHILDHOOD. BUT I ALSO WATCHED THE UNITED
BUT I ALSO WATCHED THE UNITED STATES CONGRESS REACT TO THAT
STATES CONGRESS REACT TO THAT CRISIS.
CRISIS. RIGHT?
RIGHT? I LEARNED ABOUT IT.
I LEARNED ABOUT IT. I HEARD MY PARENTS TALK ABOUT
I HEARD MY PARENTS TALK ABOUT IT, AND I RAN FOR THIS
IT, AND I RAN FOR THIS INSTITUTION, BECAUSE I THOUGHT
INSTITUTION, BECAUSE I THOUGHT THAT THE CONGRESS OF THE UNITED
THAT THE CONGRESS OF THE UNITED STATES, AND PARTICULARLY THE
STATES, AND PARTICULARLY THE UNITED STATES SENATE, WAS BUILT
UNITED STATES SENATE, WAS BUILT TO BE A CHECK ON AN EXECUTIVE
TO BE A CHECK ON AN EXECUTIVE WHO HAD GOTTEN OUT OF CONTROL
WHO HAD GOTTEN OUT OF CONTROL WITH ABUSE OF POWER.
WITH ABUSE OF POWER. AND SO I GOT TO TELL YOU.
AND SO I GOT TO TELL YOU. I MEAN, I’VE NEVER BEEN SADDER
I MEAN, I’VE NEVER BEEN SADDER THAN I AM TODAY, BECAUSE I GREW
THAN I AM TODAY, BECAUSE I GREW UP BELIEVING THAT THIS PLACE,
UP BELIEVING THAT THIS PLACE, THAT I SPENT ALL OF THIS TIME
THAT I SPENT ALL OF THIS TIME AND ENERGY RUNNING FOR, WAS THE
AND ENERGY RUNNING FOR, WAS THE PLACE THAT MADE SURE AMERICAN
PLACE THAT MADE SURE AMERICAN DEMOCRACY WASN’T TAKEN FOR
DEMOCRACY WASN’T TAKEN FOR GRANTED, AND NOW WE ARE NOT ONLY
GRANTED, AND NOW WE ARE NOT ONLY REFUSING TO DO THAT JOB, BUT WE
REFUSING TO DO THAT JOB, BUT WE ARE EMPOWERING A PRESIDENT WHO
ARE EMPOWERING A PRESIDENT WHO IS NO DOUBT GOING TO TAKE OUR
IS NO DOUBT GOING TO TAKE OUR ACTION, POTENTIALLY TODAY, AND
ACTION, POTENTIALLY TODAY, AND ENGAGE IN MORE OF THE CORRUPTION
ENGAGE IN MORE OF THE CORRUPTION THAT HE IS ACCUSED OF, AND IT
THAT HE IS ACCUSED OF, AND IT JUST MAKES ME SO SAD AS AN
JUST MAKES ME SO SAD AS AN AMERICAN.
AMERICAN. >> SENATOR, I THINK A LOT OF
>> SENATOR, I THINK A LOT OF OTHER PEOPLE WENT TO THE SENATE
OTHER PEOPLE WENT TO THE SENATE THINKING THE SAME THINGS YOU
THINKING THE SAME THINGS YOU DID, AND NOW WE ARE SO DIVIDED
DID, AND NOW WE ARE SO DIVIDED AS A COUNTRY THAT THE HOUSE IS
AS A COUNTRY THAT THE HOUSE IS ALWAYS BEEN A VERY DIVIDED
ALWAYS BEEN A VERY DIVIDED PLACE, BUT THE SENATE IS
PLACE, BUT THE SENATE IS SOMETHING SPECIAL.
SOMETHING SPECIAL. AND MY QUESTION IS, DO YOU THINK
AND MY QUESTION IS, DO YOU THINK THEY WILL BE ABLE TO CONTINUE TO
THEY WILL BE ABLE TO CONTINUE TO WORK IN BIPARTISAN WAYS THEY
WORK IN BIPARTISAN WAYS THEY HAVE IN THE PAST?
HAVE IN THE PAST? OR IS THIS RIFF VERY PERSONAL
OR IS THIS RIFF VERY PERSONAL AND SOMETHING THAT IS REALLY,
AND SOMETHING THAT IS REALLY, BECAUSE IT’S SO IMPORTANT AND
BECAUSE IT’S SO IMPORTANT AND IT’S OUR NATIONAL SECURITY AT
IT’S OUR NATIONAL SECURITY AT RISK, OUR CONSTITUTION, IT’S
RISK, OUR CONSTITUTION, IT’S EVERYTHING THAT WE ARE AS A
EVERYTHING THAT WE ARE AS A COUNTRY, DOES THIS PUT A
COUNTRY, DOES THIS PUT A PERMANENT RIFT, DO YOU BELIEVE,
PERMANENT RIFT, DO YOU BELIEVE, BETWEEN THE MEMBERS OF THE
BETWEEN THE MEMBERS OF THE SENATE?
SENATE? >> I THINK THIS IS THE MOST
>> I THINK THIS IS THE MOST SERIOUS BREACH OF OUR OATH OF
SERIOUS BREACH OF OUR OATH OF OFFICE THAT I’VE SEEN HERE.
OFFICE THAT I’VE SEEN HERE. SO I DON’T THINK THAT THINGS ARE
SO I DON’T THINK THAT THINGS ARE GOING TO GO BACK TO NORMAL ON
GOING TO GO BACK TO NORMAL ON MONDAY.
MONDAY. AT THE SAME TIME, WE’RE GOING TO
AT THE SAME TIME, WE’RE GOING TO HAVE TO FIND A WAY TO WORK
HAVE TO FIND A WAY TO WORK TOGETHER.
TOGETHER. I THINK ABOUT UKRAINE.
I THINK ABOUT UKRAINE. RIGHT?
RIGHT? UKRAINE IS STILL AT RISK OF
UKRAINE IS STILL AT RISK OF BEING OVERRUN BY RUSSIA.
BEING OVERRUN BY RUSSIA. THE PRESIDENT’S NOT GOING TO
THE PRESIDENT’S NOT GOING TO PROTECT UKRAINE, AND SO IT’S UP
PROTECT UKRAINE, AND SO IT’S UP TO THE SENATE TO DO THAT.
TO THE SENATE TO DO THAT. SO, YOU KNOW, I’VE GOT TO FIND
SO, YOU KNOW, I’VE GOT TO FIND WAY TO REACH BACK OUT TO MUIRY
WAY TO REACH BACK OUT TO MUIRY REPUBLICAN COLLEAGUES AND BUILD
REPUBLICAN COLLEAGUES AND BUILD POLICY WITH UKRAINE.
POLICY WITH UKRAINE. IT’S GOING TO ARE HARD BUT IT’S
IT’S GOING TO ARE HARD BUT IT’S NECESSARY.
NECESSARY. I MEAN, ULTIMATE THAT’S OUR JOB
I MEAN, ULTIMATE THAT’S OUR JOB TO MOVE PAST THESE MOMENTS.
TO MOVE PAST THESE MOMENTS. IT’S JUST GOING TO BE A LOT
IT’S JUST GOING TO BE A LOT HARDER THIS TIME.
HARDER THIS TIME. >> OYE.
>> OYE. SENATOR CHRIS MURPHY, THANK YOU
SENATOR CHRIS MURPHY, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR COMING ON THE SHOW
VERY MUCH FOR COMING ON THE SHOW THIS MORNING.
THIS MORNING. >> THANKS.
>> THANKS. >>> AND COMING UP, A NEW
>>> AND COMING UP, A NEW RECORDING OBTAINED BY NBC NEWS
RECORDING OBTAINED BY NBC NEWS APPEARS TO SHOW PRESIDENT TRUMP
APPEARS TO SHOW PRESIDENT TRUMP AND INDICTED GIULIANI SOESHS LPA
AND INDICTED GIULIANI SOESHS LPA LP L.J. TOGETHER AT MAR-A-LAGO,
LP L.J. TOGETHER AT MAR-A-LAGO, EVEN THOUGH THE PRESIDENT LIKES

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